ETA for Diesel on Dealer lots, any word yet?

[tyresmoker]

Exactly. You cant re-write that history. I'd have bought the diesel if not for the issues in the past. I refuse to be the beta tester for Ram on this new one. You guys pony up and let us know and in 2 years, if the reports are good, I'll have this 2020 paid off and buy a smoker. Thanks in advance for taking one for the team!

Back in '08 I had a brand new 250SD Lariat 6.4 Powerstroke. If you are not familiar with the internet nightmare that 6.4 is, go read up on it. Anyhow, I had that truck for two years. It was then put into the fleet, a plow was installed and it went to work. And it is still working. Over 200k hard miles on it and last I checked, still in one piece.
Point is, the internet is full of know-it-alls that really know nothing other than what some dimwit wrote in Motor Trend.
Will the EcoDiesel be perfect, probably not. But I cannot think of a vehicle I have owned in the past 10 years (12 in total, I think?!?) that was.
As I mentioned in another post, the '19 350 dually I have sitting in my driveway right now (shop truck) has already had the front sheetmetal off of it and a new fuel tank installed due to various leaks etc. Am I thrilled about that? No. But I promise you, I am not over in the Super Duty forums wishing new owners luck because the '19 Super Duty's they just bought will suffer the same fate...

 

[Willwork4truck]

Not sure if you are singing the praises of the 6.4 or not. Theres a well regarded shop down near Atlanta, Ga (powerstrokehelp.com) that only works on powerstrokes and has since stopped fixing 6.4’s altogether. (If you are interested, its the YT video entitled “6.4 powerstroke, the party is over”, posted 8 months ago.)
They basically pioneered the fixes on the disaster 6.0 (bulletproofing) and have now made that engine reliable.
Like has been said, every make has issues. Wether or not the new ecodiesel will erase the black eye the last one left is to be determined. I truly hope that it does and wish that engine the same level of success that the Ford 7.3 and the Cummins have had.

 

[tyresmoker]

Not sure if you are singing the praises of the 6.4 or not. Theres a well regarded shop down near Atlanta, Ga (powerstrokehelp.com) that only works on powerstrokes and has since stopped fixing 6.4’s altogether. (If you are interested, its the YT video entitled “6.4 powerstroke, the party is over”, posted 8 months ago.)
They basically pioneered the fixes on the disaster 6.0 (bulletproofing) and have now made that engine reliable.
Like has been said, every make has issues. Wether or not the new ecodiesel will erase the black eye the last one left is to be determined. I truly hope that it does and wish that engine the same level of success that the Ford 7.3 and the Cummins have had.

The perceived "black eye" is only exasperated by the 98 percent of BS that is passed around the internet by those that have ZERO ownership experience...aka..a$$ in the game... Not really fair to include the PS 7.3 or the original Cummins 5.9 (had two in my last boat...loved those engines) as they did not have the emissions requirements that are necessary today.

 

[ryan74701]

Not sure if this has been said somewhere else but I just left the dealer here in Norman and test drove a eco diesel and the girl said Chrysler has already issued a recall on the eco diesel and they aren’t allowed to sell any eco diesels right now.

 

[mhoyt01]

Not sure if this has been said somewhere else but I just left the dealer here in Norman and test drove a eco diesel and the girl said Chrysler has already issued a recall on the eco diesel and they aren’t allowed to sell any eco diesels right now.

1. How did it drive? I ordered one been looking for end use feedback.
2. No one has reportedvthat except you, so any details are of interest.

 

[bgmshrm]

Went to the LA autoshow today and got pissed off . You can't get a limited ecodiesel with any rearend but a 392 .. hence way less fuel economy. Rethinking buying a Ram .

 

[mhoyt01]

Went to the LA autoshow today and got pissed off . You can't get a limited ecodiesel with any rearend but a 392 .. hence way less fuel economy. Rethinking buying a Ram .

Well I haven’t researched it but I am guessing the transmission has different ratios than the hemi tranny, so 3.92 to 3.92 gas to diesel is may not be apples to apples.

 

[ryan74701]

1. How did it drive? I ordered one been looking for end use feedback.
2. No one has reportedvthat except you, so any details are of interest.

1. It drives GREAT, it basically drives the same as the 2015 model I had. 65 mph on the hwy and I was getting 26 mpg, didn't drive very far though.
2. yeah I have no other information, I'd take it with a grain of salt, googling recalls and the only thing I can find is the recall from a month ago on the older models.

 

[HST]

Mite explain why mine has been sitting in quality control for 2 weeks .

 

[bgmshrm]

Well I haven’t researched it but I am guessing the transmission has different ratios than the hemi tranny, so 3.92 to 3.92 gas to diesel is may not be apples to apples.

You can get a 3.21 in a tradesman according to the head person at the show

 

[Willwork4truck]

The perceived "black eye" is only exasperated by the 98 percent of BS that is passed around the internet by those that have ZERO ownership experience...aka..a$$ in the game... Not really fair to include the PS 7.3 or the original Cummins 5.9 (had two in my last boat...loved those engines) as they did not have the emissions requirements that are necessary today.

Thats accurate to say don’t include those 2.
The issue with diesels has been the government mandated emissions, thats what screwed up the 6.0 and the 6.4, as well as not helping the Cummins when it had to go the emissions route as well.
While I never have owned a diesel, and since I can’t afford the extra cost to buy one “just cause”, I have to rely on the well vetted information that’s out there.
Guess that some motors just aren’t designed as well as others.
But then, maybe articles like this below are just nonsense:
6.4L Problems
The Bad Side and the Ugly Side of a Good Engine
Mike McGlothlin –
Dec 1, 2012
From trucktrend.com

Now thats a Ford and this thread is about the RAM... I still believe the history of the first ecodiesel is “checkered“, but then don’t take my 2nd hand statement as fact, maybe look at Allpar.com:
EcoDiesel Engine Failures - Anecdotal and Reviews
Discussion in 'Mopar News' started by BobbiBigWheels, Apr 20, 2018.
Page 1 of 14

14 pages of back and forth, kinda sorta makes me think there were some issues. Now again, I hope the ecodiesel 2.0 is a wonderful engine and all will be much better. No FCA hater here, simply a realist.

 

[iamtheav8r]

If you're buying the little diesels for mpg, think again...

at 15K miles per year and a cost of $3 per gallon for diesel vs $2.60 for gasoline you'll "save" $630 a year in fuel costs. That's an ROI to break even of 5-7 years depending on the truck. You'll eat up some of that in maintenance costs. You may get more on resale or trade on the other end, but that's a maybe until the engine proves to not be a turd like the last one.

 

[Willwork4truck]

If you're buying the little diesels for mpg, think again...

at 15K miles per year and a cost of $3 per gallon for diesel vs $2.60 for gasoline you'll "save" $630 a year in fuel costs. That's an ROI to break even of 5-7 years depending on the truck. You'll eat up some of that in maintenance costs. You may get more on resale or trade on the other end, but that's a maybe until the engine proves to not be a turd like the last one.

Agree on the closeness of fuel costs, theres other things the oil burners like, specifically torque curve.
I was watching (there I go again) a YT from a pretty level-headed rv puller who switched from a Ford (poor guy, just doesn’t know whats best) 6.2 gas to a 6.7 Power stroke. He showed a detailed 1 year ownership spreadsheet (yeah, one of those guys) and not only did he save money with the diesel (cause he towed a lot) but he had the power difference as well. (Can you say 965+ foot pounds of torque?)
So there are definitely considerations on both ends.

 

[iamtheav8r]

Agree on the closeness of fuel costs, theres other things the oil burners like, specifically torque curve.
I was watching (there I go again) a YT from a pretty level-headed rv puller who switched from a Ford (poor guy, just doesn’t know whats best) 6.2 gas to a 6.7 Power stroke. He showed a detailed 1 year ownership spreadsheet (yeah, one of those guys) and not only did he save money with the diesel (cause he towed a lot) but he had the power difference as well. (Can you say 965+ foot pounds of torque?)
So there are definitely considerations on both ends.

Ya, I've had a couple 6.7 and it put a smile on my face every time I put the hammer down!

 

[Narg]

Went to the LA autoshow today and got pissed off . You can't get a limited ecodiesel with any rearend but a 392 .. hence way less fuel economy. Rethinking buying a Ram .

Saw one today on a lot with a 3.21. Somebody was feeding you some B.S.

 

[Narg]

Finally got to drive both the Chevy 3.0 Diesel and the RAM 3.0 Diesel today. Wow, RAM has really blown Chevy out of the water on almost everything. Only part of the Chevy I liked better was the camera system. Chevy trucks ride so much rougher, not sure why anyone would want one over the RAM today. Anyway, this truck is for my Dad who went with me and agrees. Only negative he has in the RAM is he'd prefer the engine were built in the USA. The Chevy had the start stop feature, which I don't mind, but found it odd to be on a diesel engine. I plan to get the Hemi on mine when I decide to purchase, and looking forward to the advanced start stop on that engine due to how smooth and seamless it is. Glad the 3.0 RAM diesel doesn't have that feature. Just seems out of place on a diesel to shut down a lot. But overall, the RAM just hit a home run in our opinion. Thanks to everyone on helping out with info on these.

 

[tyresmoker]

If you're buying the little diesels for mpg, think again...

at 15K miles per year and a cost of $3 per gallon for diesel vs $2.60 for gasoline you'll "save" $630 a year in fuel costs. That's an ROI to break even of 5-7 years depending on the truck. You'll eat up some of that in maintenance costs. You may get more on resale or trade on the other end, but that's a maybe until the engine proves to not be a turd like the last one.

Ok, let's agree, according to all of the internet chatter, the '16 Ecodiesel is a turd and no one that has a subscription to AOL and has access to this information should even consider one....That being said, I just took a look at recent Manheim lane results (wholesale auto auction results) and, on average, a '16 Laramie Limted DIESEL ($27,500) is doing just about $4k over a '16 Laramie Limited gasser ($23,600). And these are "professionals" buying these units....Huh...Maybe they know something all the know-it-alls don't??!!? ?

 

[tyresmoker]

Finally got to drive both the Chevy 3.0 Diesel and the RAM 3.0 Diesel today. Wow, RAM has really blown Chevy out of the water on almost everything. Only part of the Chevy I liked better was the camera system. Chevy trucks ride so much rougher, not sure why anyone would want one over the RAM today. Anyway, this truck is for my Dad who went with me and agrees. Only negative he has in the RAM is he'd prefer the engine were built in the USA. The Chevy had the start stop feature, which I don't mind, but found it odd to be on a diesel engine. I plan to get the Hemi on mine when I decide to purchase, and looking forward to the advanced start stop on that engine due to how smooth and seamless it is. Glad the 3.0 RAM diesel doesn't have that feature. Just seems out of place on a diesel to shut down a lot. But overall, the RAM just hit a home run in our opinion. Thanks to everyone on helping out with info on these.

No auto stop start on the diesel? Glad to hear! I thought I saw the override button on some of the YouTube videos.

 

[bgmshrm]

Saw one today on a lot with a 3.21. Somebody was feeding you some B.S.

With air suspension?

 

[Willwork4truck]

Ok, let's agree, according to all of the internet chatter, the '16 Ecodiesel is a turd and no one that has a subscription to AOL and has access to this information should even consider one....That being said, I just took a look at recent Manheim lane results (wholesale auto auction results) and, on average, a '16 Laramie Limted DIESEL ($27,500) is doing just about $4k over a '16 Laramie Limited gasser ($23,600). And these are "professionals" buying these units....Huh...Maybe they know something all the know-it-alls don't??!!? ?

No idea on that. I just wouldn’t roll that particular dice. Now FCA has had some time to redesign the 3.0 and for future owners sake, I hope there’s no reports of engine failures. If you think the 1st gen was so great, buy one, or better yet, make paypal donations to those who had the problems that are documented.

Edit: Dealers are buying certain 14-16 ecodiesels for sure, yet now with the
r e c a l l some are refusing to until the owner gets that done (so say ram1500diesel.com owners in posts:

Discussion Starter • #1 • 30 days ago
Nothing from FCA yet

NHTSA Recall ID Number :	19V757
Manufacturer :	Chrysler (FCA US LLC)
Subject :	EGR Cooler May Crack and Cause Fire
	Make Model Model Years RAM 1500 2014-2019

October 24, 2019 NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 19V757000

EGR Cooler May Crack and Cause Fire
Combustion in the intake manifold can increase the risk of a fire.
NHTSA Campaign Number: 19V757000
Manufacturer Chrysler (FCA US LLC)
Components ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
Potential Number of Units Affected 107,979
Summary
Chrysler (FCA US LLC) is recalling certain 2014-2019 Ram 1500 and 1500 Classic Pickup trucks equipped with 3.0L Eco Diesel engines. The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) cooler may crack and allow pre-heated vaporized coolant to enter the EGR system. This mixture may combust inside the intake manifold.
Remedy
The remedy for this recall is still under development. The recall is expected to begin December 13, 2019. Owners may contact 1-Chrysler customer service at 800-853-1403. Chrysler's number for this recall is VB1.
Notes
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.safercar.gov.
6 Affected Products
4 Associated Documents

Or you could try the thread “discussion of catastophic engine failures” on the same forum... 36 pages

Again, hope that version 2.0 is a winner - feel free to buy version 1