Dip stick?

[1791]

Know what else doesn't have dipsticks. Your transfer case, front and rear differentials, and your windshield washer fluid. I bet you've never complained about any of those. Windshield washer has a level sensor on it . You probably never think about that failing.

okay you're being ridiculous, i agree with you thanks for pointing those issues out every fluid needs a dipstick.

 

[HSKR R/T]

okay you're being ridiculous, i agree with you thanks for pointing those issues out every fluid needs a dipstick.

Rediculous is the unfounded fear some people have about not having a dipstick.

 

[SD Rebel]

I've owned vehicles without dipsticks, mainly BMWs, never had an issue or missed not having one.

If I had a choice I rather have one, but no dipstick with the on board level sensor is fine too.

Im a DIY guy and have zero issues with no dipstick systems for over 20 years of ownership.

 

[BowDown]

I've owned vehicles without dipsticks, mainly BMWs, never had an issue or missed not having one.

If I had a choice I rather have one, but no dipstick with the on board level sensor is fine too.

Im a DIY guy and have zero issues with no dipstick systems for over 20 years of ownership.

Same here. My wifes XF doesn't have a dipstick, haven't missed it in the 10 years we've owned the car. Would I like one, yeah, does not having one stop my world, no

 

[6of36]

Burning or using enough oil to impact the amount of oil in the oil pan is gonna smoke and smoke alot. The only way you're slowly burning oil and emptying an oil pan while showing no signs of smoke is if you're going 15K+ miles or years between oil changes

Not necessarily. I had a Cadillac ElDorado. Never smoked a bit. but they burned a lot of oil. Dealership stated, it's normal to burn 3 quarts, between changes. He said that's why they had an 8 quart oil pan, so when it burned 3, you still had 5. An oil level light came on, at 3 quarts low. That's your great GM engineering.

 

[1791]

Rediculous is the unfounded fear some people have about not having a dipstick.

i assure you that at 56 years old and being a former GM tech i am plenty informed.

 

[HSKR R/T]

i assure you that at 56 years old and being a former GM tech i am plenty informed.

I didn't say you weren't informed, I said it was unfounded fear. Oil level sensors have been in use for decades, and there hasn't been any widespread issue with them. Not saying some haven't had issues, but it's probably less than Hemis that have had lifter issues, even with a dipstick.

 

[Paul B]

The HO requires premium fuel.

No it doesn't.....stellantis engineer on a youtube interview said it doesn't.
To get the performance out of the H/O yes. Otherwise the merid of computers adjusts for a lower octane.
So go figure....
Paul B

 

[mikeru82]

No it doesn't.....stellantis engineer on a youtube interview said it doesn't.
To get the performance out of the H/O yes. Otherwise the merid of computers adjusts for a lower octane.
So go figure....
Paul B

Sorry, I posted information that people who own HO equipped trucks have posted on another forum. I don’t own one nor had I personally researched that. 30 seconds of research after reading your response seems to back up what you said. Thanks for the correction.

The 2025 Ram 1500 Hurricane HO: Premium Fuel Optional

The new 2025 Ram 1500 is available with a high-output inline six-cylinder engine that maxes out with premium fuel. But you don't need it.

www.edmunds.com

 

[BowDown]

Not necessarily. I had a Cadillac ElDorado. Never smoked a bit. but they burned a lot of oil. Dealership stated, it's normal to burn 3 quarts, between changes. He said that's why they had an 8 quart oil pan, so when it burned 3, you still had 5. An oil level light came on, at 3 quarts low. That's your great GM engineering.

There's really only 2 ways to lose oil, consumption and a leak.
Consumption of a significant amount of oil as you describe should be noticeable if you're paying attention. Consumption is going to be through the rings or through the valve stem seals, both of which would cause a decent amount smoke while driving or on start up.

A leak is going to leave an obvious sign that you should see but there's people that don't.

Here's a post from FB of a guy smoking an engine.



To me, you should have caught this and known you had a problem. Having a dipstick wouldn't have helped him but this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say most don't pay attention and wouldn't even check a dipstick. You miss this, you're not checking a dipstick

 

[OldMarine]

Burning or using enough oil to impact the amount of oil in the oil pan is gonna smoke and smoke alot. The only way you're slowly burning oil and emptying an oil pan while showing no signs of smoke is if you're going 15K+ miles or years between oil changes

nonsense....my buddy bought a brand new F-150 4 years ago with the V-8. It burned 1 qt every 500 miles,(known issue with some Ford trucks a few years ago), no noticeable blue smoke. he traded it in with 2000 miles on it for a 3.5 eco boost.

 

[OldMarine]

some of you guys shouldn't go near an engine.....good grief.

 

[RedFred]

My last oil change, I took my truck in and had it done at a local shop. Usually I do my own oil changes but I had an upcoming trip and no time. After the oil change, truck kept saying oil was low and to add 2 quarts. The oil change guy swears he added the 7+ quarts and not to add the 2 quarts it was asking for. I let the truck run for a bit, even took it for a short ride, and went through the whole procedure and the truck kept saying oil low and add 2 quarts. There was no way to check to see what was the correct thing to do here. I had the guy dump all the oil and put it all back while I watched. It was just over 7 quarts. I think the guy originally reset the oil life monitor while the truck was draining oil and this is what caused all the warning lights and message that wouldn't clear. Eventually I reset the oil life monitor again, even though it was already saying 100%, and it cleared all the messages. If there was a dipstick, it would have saved me a lot of grief that day. Instead I had to sweat it out about whether my motor was running low on oil and argue with the local shop owner about how much, if any, oil was in the motor. I also have a BMW X7 which also has no dipstick, but I would prefer all cars had a dipstick for those just in case moments like I described above.

 

[HSKR R/T]

My last oil change, I took my truck in and had it done at a local shop. Usually I do my own oil changes but I had an upcoming trip and no time. After the oil change, truck kept saying oil was low and to add 2 quarts. The oil change guy swears he added the 7+ quarts and not to add the 2 quarts it was asking for. I let the truck run for a bit, even took it for a short ride, and went through the whole procedure and the truck kept saying oil low and add 2 quarts. There was no way to check to see what was the correct thing to do here. I had the guy dump all the oil and put it all back while I watched. It was just over 7 quarts. I think the guy originally reset the oil life monitor while the truck was draining oil and this is what caused all the warning lights and message that wouldn't clear. Eventually I reset the oil life monitor again, even though it was already saying 100%, and it cleared all the messages. If there was a dipstick, it would have saved me a lot of grief that day. Instead I had to sweat it out about whether my motor was running low on oil and argue with the local shop owner about how much, if any, oil was in the motor. I also have a BMW X7 which also has no dipstick, but I would prefer all cars had a dipstick for those just in case moments like I described above.

I'd says it's more likely the original oil change, the tech only out in 5 qts, and not seven, so it was actually low. Since I doubt you measured the oil that drained out, you will never really know, and can only speculate.

 

[456MORam]

There's really only 2 ways to lose oil, consumption and a leak.
Consumption of a significant amount of oil as you describe should be noticeable if you're paying attention. Consumption is going to be through the rings or through the valve stem seals, both of which would cause a decent amount smoke while driving or on start up.

A leak is going to leave an obvious sign that you should see but there's people that don't.

Here's a post from FB of a guy smoking an engine.

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To me, you should have caught this and known you had a problem. Having a dipstick wouldn't have helped him but this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say most don't pay attention and wouldn't even check a dipstick. You miss this, you're not checking a dipstick

My kid has a Rio that was using almost a quart of oil per tank of gas…. Never noticed any smoke. It has since been cured, we’ve got it down under a quart per 5,000 miles now.

Corrected to say “has” instead of “had”. Hopefully that POS keeps going for a while lol.

 

[456MORam]

No it doesn't.....stellantis engineer on a youtube interview said it doesn't.
To get the performance out of the H/O yes. Otherwise the merid of computers adjusts for a lower octane.
So go figure....
Paul B

Here’s what the owners manual says…. is required.

 

[456MORam]

On the original subject, I have no idea if there will ever be an after market dip stick. My preference would be to have an engine with a dipstick for the oil, although unfortunately not in a position for it to be a disqualifying factor.

 

[NorskieRider]

My last oil change, I took my truck in and had it done at a local shop. Usually I do my own oil changes but I had an upcoming trip and no time. After the oil change, truck kept saying oil was low and to add 2 quarts. The oil change guy swears he added the 7+ quarts and not to add the 2 quarts it was asking for. I let the truck run for a bit, even took it for a short ride, and went through the whole procedure and the truck kept saying oil low and add 2 quarts. There was no way to check to see what was the correct thing to do here. I had the guy dump all the oil and put it all back while I watched. It was just over 7 quarts. I think the guy originally reset the oil life monitor while the truck was draining oil and this is what caused all the warning lights and message that wouldn't clear. Eventually I reset the oil life monitor again, even though it was already saying 100%, and it cleared all the messages. If there was a dipstick, it would have saved me a lot of grief that day. Instead I had to sweat it out about whether my motor was running low on oil and argue with the local shop owner about how much, if any, oil was in the motor. I also have a BMW X7 which also has no dipstick, but I would prefer all cars had a dipstick for those just in case moments like I described above.

That's what I'm saying - sensors (and/or programming) can go bad and having a dipstick is an easy way to validate actual oil level.

Every year on the Audi forums there were several reports of ruined engines because the owners followed the dash instructions to "add oil" when it was already full (or overfilled) when the sensors malfunctioned. Since those VAG 2.0L and 3.0L engines were known to burn oil nobody batted an eye when the oil level was low, and sensor failure was a thing. At least those engines had dipstick tubes, just needed to get the correct $60 dipstick.

We're not seeing reports of frequent (or any?) sensor failure on the Hurricane's so for now, it's sort of a moot point.

 

[2025 Ram Limited]

Here’s what the owners manual says…. is required.

I have run 87 a few times and had no issues. I regularly run 93 so I'm sure it had plenty of the higher octane in the tank when I filled it with 87. I have put fuel injector cleaner in a time or two as well.

 

[Scram1500]

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