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Rear brake issue


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This is the first I have seen of this. Thanks for the info! I have continually asked about it for almost two years when I take it in for service and I always get the same "I haven't seen anything on it" response. Maybe I can get them to do the service bulletin on it even though it's out of warranty.
 

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I have tried that. I read through forums and that is the "by the book" way to fill it up, however it doesn't help. Manually manipulating the angle of the pump handle often fails as well. This is my most frustrating issue with the engine in a close second.
I believe there is a TSB or fix for this as well. It has been documented on this forum by others.
 

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This is the first I have seen of this. Thanks for the info! I have continually asked about it for almost two years when I take it in for service and I always get the same "I haven't seen anything on it" response. Maybe I can get them to do the service bulletin on it even though it's out of warranty.

TSB will/should be fixed in or out of warranty. Best of luck.
 

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Also, this could ‘possibly’ be an issue with your fueling problem. Excessive shut off like you’re experiencing is also sign of a plugged vent or charcoal canister issue. Just something for you to explore.

 

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One would wonder if having over 100k anything to do would have anything to do with things happening...
 

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Damn, sorry to hear of all the issues OP. Sounds like you were the unfortunate buyer of a lemon. It happens to all makes and models, even the almighty Ram truck. I definitely understand your frustration as I would be frustrated as well.
Good luck going forward.
 

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Get it fixed and keep on trucking. Still way cheaper than an entirely new Truck of 60k or more even with trade. Something expensive like engine or transmission breaks again then explore your options. I had a ton of issues with mine early all under warranty but love this truck. Luckily it is driven on weekends only for me. Very low mileage. I bought an extended warranty as I plan to keep it and wanted the extra couple years of bumper to bumper warranty. Must be something that can be done about the gas kick out situation.
 

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A vehicle you don't like or can't trust is one you just need to get rid of. Sounds like you had a perfect storm of frustrating issues and poor support.

Perhaps the remaining issues can be resolved? Contact RamCares and see what they can do.
 

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Air suspension alone is why I want extended MaxCare coverage
 

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When a gas pump keeps kicking off, try pulling the nozzle out about 1" (2.5cm) or so from full inserted position.
This almost always stops it from happening.
This is exactly what I was going to suggest. I think most people who have this trouble shove the nozzle too far down the throat of the filler neck. Just put the tip in and let it go. OK, now this is starting to sound quite pornographic :LOL:
 
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Quick update on the engine: I just got it back from the dealer yesterday. There were several error codes, but the main ones they pursued were a multi-cylinder miss code (p0300) and a fuel trim rich code. During diagnostics, the engine was missing heavily in 4 cylinders (about 200 misses in 20 seconds). They removed both heads and found a broken valve spring in the left side as well as a bent push rod. The valve dropped down, but luckily they said there was no damage to the valve, rocker shaft or piston. The technician working on it said that he has done this on several trucks, just usually with more miles. The good news is that so far is seems like the issue is fixed and seems to be running normal. Unfortunately it just took $1,800 to get here.

I had the engine work done by a dealer where the truck shut down, so I've scheduled an appointment at my local dealer to have the fuel and brake issue looked at again. Thanks again to those with some insight on those issues. Hopefully the dealer will be able to fix these lingering issues this time.
 

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I believe there is a TSB or fix for this as well. It has been documented on this forum by others.
I looked at the forum list of TSBs and recalls and could not locate anything about fueling issues. Can you please provide your reference for this.
 

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Good to see you got it fixed. It sucks to have to pay it out though. Can I ask how often you change your oil and what oil you use? I do not know if I have heard of many broken valve springs in Hemi’s. I have had 3 hemis prior to this truck and never had an internal engine issue, to 148k.

In jest, thanks for buying the first gen of a newly designed American vehicle, which helped to make our 2020 and later trucks more reliable, we hope....lol.
 

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Sorry about all of your troubles. I might want to get it fixed one last time and sell it. One could probably get a good price with today's high demand for pickups.
 

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I remember reading something in the forums here about the issue having to do with topping off. The message said that these trucks have some kind of filter that when it gets saturated with gas makes it kick off the pumps from the vapors. I don't top off because of that and have not had the problem except for a couple of times when I had topped off as a new owner. Might be coincidence, might be substantive, but either way I thought I would pass it along. The problem for you is that it might be exacerbated by you having to manually click so many times that you can't tell when the truck is really full and are inadvertently topping off every time which just keeps repeating the cycle of top offs.
 

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OP... Sorry to hear/read of your repeat misfortune. I do not envy your experience. Spending that much money on anything, let alone a vehicle, and then to endure what you have sounds far beyond frustrating. I spent less than $40k on my preowned 2020 Rebel and I would be in tears if I had half your issues..
With that said, maybe I can provide some helpful insight with some minimal behind the scenes knowledge...
Forgive me for being vague as I have to be careful what I say for obvious reasons, and please forgive my ramblings, but here goes...
So I work for a Tier 1 (meaning direct) supplier to most of the OEMs, including FCA and provide a few integral parts on both the DT and DS platforms...
I have even been to the Sterling Heights Assembly Plant (SHAP) during the preproduction phase and my company was, in some small regards, involved in the launching of the new 1500...
So I can tell you that FCA faced a ton of issues getting this platform off the ground in ramp up and was plagued with one problem after another, in the preproduction build phases, ramp up and in the early production build phases.
While FCA definitely did have some self-induced set backs and hurdles of their own (to be expected), the vast majority of the issues they faced were caused by their suppliers, not FCA themselves.
All of this, is unfortunately, industry standard when launching a completely new and redesigned platform. FWIW, not to toot my own horn (as I definitely have my fair share of shortcomings) but I am a seasoned manufacturing engineer with decades of experience in the industry and IMHO, despite the countless hurdles they faced in the launch phase, FCA did an outstanding job with this platform.
Often times when an OEM releases a “new” body style (typically every 8-10 years) they usually just modify or improve on as much of the existing design as they can. They will update the body, trim and interior, but the drivetrain, suspension geometry, components, ect are based largely on the existing design as much as possible. The OEMs will, in fact, often use the same tooling and “carry-over” as many parts/components as they can to reduce cost, timing and potential failures. Sometimes they just modify the same tooling under engineering changes.
We make parts for several OEMs today in molds that were originally built in 2006 for platforms that have been retired for years. However, I can tell you that every part we make for the DT platform is out of new tooling and all the components we supply are of their own, completely new design. Every part/component for this platform that I am aware of, including those produced by our competitors are completely new and unique to the new design. When FCA advertises the 19-21 1500 as an “ALL NEW DESIGN” they mean it!!
With all things considered, and with the information above, you have to understand that the amount of design, development, testing, engineering, prototyping, tooling, fixturing, automation, programming, training, ect... that goes in to creating a new vehicle like this is just plain ****ing insane!!
Just one small part on this truck that we supply, that you probably don’t even know exists, that you may never even see, and that is small enough to fit in a shoe box, literally took us year to design, prototype, and tool. And the tooling and equipment that makes that one part literally cost $1,000,000.00 and almost cost me my marriage to build.
When you go to the dealership and see that window sticker with a $60,000.00 price tag, you think the same thing we all do.. “Holy ****! That’s expensive!” In reality, it’s cheap!!
With all that said, when launching a new platform there are so many things that can go array that just can’t be foreseen. Any OEM, I don’t care who it is, is going to have more than a few issues pop up when building a new vehicle. It’s unavoidable. That’s why they say “never buy the first one of anything”. Some problems can be caught and dealt with on the line or in the infancy of the first few batches of production. Some issues won’t present themselves until 10, 20, 50 or even 100k miles down the road, literally! Even 3 years in, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a few more TSB’s or Recalls announced in the future. The fact that there’s as few as there are so far, I think shows there’s something to be said FCA!
My advice would be to place some calls to FCA and advise them of every problem you’ve faced so far and in the future. Maybe they can/will do something for you, probably not. But I doubt the dealers are effectively communicating non-warrantied repairs up the chain as much as they could/should. And the truth is no one wants to build/sell a piece of ****. Reputation and word of mouth are everything in this industry. If they can help you, within reason, they probably will. And if they can use your experience and feedback to improve their product in the future, they will.
At the end of the day, the fact remains, all OEMs have their fair share of problems, especially with new platforms. From my experience as a repeat Ram customer now four times over, who has owned the other two brands as well, and as a supplier to FCA.. I trust them with my money. Maybe I’m off base, but that’s my $0.02...
Good Luck! I hope everything works out and I hope you don’t give up on the brand.
 

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Wow. Can't agree more.
I am hoping my new Laramie holds in there but with all the new sophisticated machines there are going to be problems initially but with time hopefully less.
 

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