2026 HEMI or Hurricane?

[mikeru82]

Yeah that's the point. It cost them to put it in and had little sales (intentional or otherwise). The 6.4 in the 1500 would be a much bigger bang for their buck, and it's not just the wrangler. Percentage wise it's a guarantee that the 6.4 in the 1500 would sell more than any other single model with the same engine, the ram 1500 is their biggest seller.

They sold 150k wranglers last year, and 373k 1500s. Logically, the 6.4, priced within reason of the 5.7, would sell far more units especially because big v8s and trucks go together like rum and coke.

The wrangler 392 is also priced high because of the entire package/trim, not just the engine. If they dropped a 6.4 into a trademan, the sticker price doesn't have to be that high.

That’s my point…it wouldn’t be a bigger bang for the buck because in order to recoup their development costs they’d necessarily have to increase the price for the trucks with the 6.4, likely out of may buyer’s comfort zone for a 1500. Look at the increased cost of the 5.7 Hemi in 2026 models over the SO Hurricane. It’s my opinion that the 6.4 would be that much higher yet. Some people like you and I might think it’d be worth the higher cost, but there are plenty who wouldn’t think so. I suspect you’re overestimating the number of buyers who would pay the premium for a 1500 with the 6.4. I disagree that it would be the sure thing you think it would be. Hell, plenty of people are happy with the Pentastar option. Not everyone is wanting to race their half ton truck from stop light to stop light.

The other aspect which hasn’t even been mentioned (at least not that I’ve seen) is the payload would be decreased because of the heavier 6.4 engine. Payload in higher trim levels is already pretty low. Our 2020 Limited has a payload rating of just over 1000 lbs. Which severely limits how much we can tow with it.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Yeah that's the point. It cost them to put it in and had little sales (intentional or otherwise). The 6.4 in the 1500 would be a much bigger bang for their buck, and it's not just the wrangler. Percentage wise it's a guarantee that the 6.4 in the 1500 would sell more than any other single model with the same engine, the ram 1500 is their biggest seller.

They sold 150k wranglers last year, and 373k 1500s. Logically, the 6.4, priced within reason of the 5.7, would sell far more units especially because big v8s and trucks go together like rum and coke.

The wrangler 392 is also priced high because of the entire package/trim, not just the engine. If they dropped a 6.4 into a trademan, the sticker price doesn't have to be that high.

I doubt the 6.4 would sell more units than the Charger/Challenger Scat Packs did. There is no benefit for the car based 6.4 in a 1500 other than someone wanting a "performance" oriented truck. it would not offer any higher payload or tow rating because that is limited by the body and frame not the drive line. And it may actually have a lower payload. The decrease in fuel economy would also limit buyers. There is a reason the Pentastar is higher volume sales in the tradesman and Bighorn trim.

 

[silver billet]

The 5.0 Ford beats the 5.7 Hemi Ram because it's in a lighter aluminum truck. Put it in the Ram and I don't think their would be much difference.

It's now putting out more horsepower, and there is no sign they've reached the end (consider how much more power it puts out in the mustang). The 5.7 doesn't have any room left.

 

[silver billet]

That’s my point…it wouldn’t be a bigger bang for the buck because in order to recoup their development costs they’d necessarily have to increase the price for the trucks with the 6.4, likely out of may buyer’s comfort zone for a 1500.

There are no development costs. Guys are swapping the 6.4 into 1500s on the driveway. It's literally plug and play for a DIY'er, though of course Ram would have additional costs. Nothing close like you pretend it is. The 5.7 and 6.4 are extremely similar.

Look at the increased cost of the 5.7 Hemi in 2026 models over the SO Hurricane. It’s my opinion that the 6.4 would be that much higher yet.

No, this is just marketing at play. There is huge demand for the 5.7 so they bump up the price. The old classic was the cheapest truck around, even with the 5.7. The increase in cost is not because it costs so much to get it in the truck.

Some people like you and I might think it’d be worth the higher cost, but there are plenty who wouldn’t think so. I suspect you’re overestimating the number of buyers who would pay the premium for a 1500 with the 6.4. I disagree that it would be the sure thing you think it would be.

That's ok, you go ahead and disagree mike.

Hell, plenty of people are happy with the Pentastar option. Not everyone is wanting to race their half ton truck from stop light to stop light.

It's not about racing, those buyers will pick the HO.

The other aspect which hasn’t even been mentioned (at least not that I’ve seen) is the payload would be decreased because of the heavier 6.4 engine. Payload in higher trim levels is already pretty low. Our 2020 Limited has a payload rating of just over 1000 lbs. Which severely limits how much we can tow with it.

My very well, level 2 equipped bighorn, has 1750 pounds with the 5.7. Online sources say the two engines are about 50 pounds apart in weight. That's ok, I'll just eat less at mcdonalds.

 

[mikeru82]

There are no development costs. Guys are swapping the 6.4 into 1500s on the driveway. It's literally plug and play for a DIY'er, though of course Ram would have additional costs. Nothing close like you pretend it is. The 5.7 and 6.4 are extremely similar.


No, this is just marketing at play. There is huge demand for the 5.7 so they bump up the price. The old classic was the cheapest truck around, even with the 5.7. The increase in cost is not because it costs so much to get it in the truck.


That's ok, you go ahead and disagree mike.


It's not about racing, those buyers will pick the HO.



My very well, level 2 equipped bighorn, has 1750 pounds with the 5.7. Online sources say the two engines are about 50 pounds apart in weight. That's ok, I'll just eat less at mcdonalds.

I see you’re hitting the bottle again tonight. Cheers

 

[BowDown]

Ram installing the 6.4 into the 1500 is a lot different that a DIYer in their driveway and there absolutely would be development costs to put it in the 1500 just like there was with the Jeep

The 6.4 would need to be certified in the 1500 chassis and it would be detuned from the car application just like it is in the jeep and likely more so due to the needs of the truck buyer, just like the HD 6.4.

Never gonna happen and not what this threads about anyway

 

[BowDown]

Another thing, someone brought up the F150 with the 5.0.
The F150 5.0 V8 makes 400 hp and 410 Tq.
In the mustang, the 5.0 is rated at 480 for the GT and 500 for the darkhorse with 410 and 415 Tq.

This is exactly my point with the car engine vs the same engine tuned for a truck, an 80 to 100 horsepower decrease for the truck; the 6.4 would face the same thing

 

[SD Rebel]

The 5.0 Ford beats the 5.7 Hemi Ram because it's in a lighter aluminum truck. Put it in the Ram and I don't think their would be much difference.

True, it's only 5 more hp and same torque on paper (400hp / 410 lbs-ft). Though seems to have a lot left in regards to tuning and setup, that same motor in the Mustang GT makes 486hp and 418bs-ft of torque.

The 5.7L Hemi in the Challenger only made 375hp / 410 lb-ft. In fact, the most powerful state of spec of the 5.7L is in the RAM 1500, whereas the F150 gets the lowest state of tune for the Coyote. I suspect it's Ford not wanting to encroach the 3.5L V6TT as their top motor.

 

[BowDown]

True, it's only 5 more hp and same torque on paper (400hp / 410 lbs-ft). Though seems to have a lot left in regards to tuning and setup, that same motor in the Mustang GT makes 486hp and 418bs-ft of torque.

The 5.7L Hemi in the Challenger only made 375hp / 410 lb-ft. In fact, the most powerful state of spec of the 5.7L is in the RAM 1500, whereas the F150 gets the lowest state of tune for the Coyote. I suspect it's Ford not wanting to encroach the 3.5L V6TT as their top motor.

I think it's more likely that turning up the 5.0 to near Mustang levels will have negative drivability consequences in a truck. The mustang is far lighter and can have more aggressive N/A cams and tune than you could use in a heavier truck that also has to tow and haul heavy loads.

The 5.7 HEMI is maxed in a truck, it need more cubic inches or boost, neither of which I think Ram would do outside a limited production run like a TRX or the Fox truck.
Bottom line is the car 6.4 is wishful thinking