2025 Quality

[bperew]

My 2025 Ram has been in the shop for 3 weeks with a engine shut down problem. The engine turns off at a stop sign and does not restart. It actually shuts the whole system down and I have to do a complete restart. Has anyone else experienced that problem? I am thinking that if they have my truck for 30 days, I may want to have them buy it back. I am retired Chrysler employee and I traded my 2021 Ram, which was a much better truck than this 2025. Can somebody steer me in the right direction as to whether I go for the lemon law or wait until Stellantis finds a fix for the issue.

 

[mikeru82]

My 2025 Ram has been in the shop for 3 weeks with a engine shut down problem. The engine turns off at a stop sign and does not restart. It actually shuts the whole system down and I have to do a complete restart. Has anyone else experienced that problem? I am thinking that if they have my truck for 30 days, I may want to have them buy it back. I am retired Chrysler employee and I traded my 2021 Ram, which was a much better truck than this 2025. Can somebody steer me in the right direction as to whether I go for the lemon law or wait until Stellantis finds a fix for the issue.

That’s a decision you’ll need to make for yourself. I can’t say what I’d do if I was in your situation because I wouldn’t have bought a 2025 in the first place LOL. But that’s because I’m fond of having a truck with a V8 engine. If you do go the lemon law route, what will you do for a vehicle? But another 2025 Ram, switch to another brand, maybe go with a used truck? How much faith do you have in your new truck to not have other issues that will put it back in the shop?

 

[Jake1050]

I doubt people with an ax to grind would turn to electrical gremlins as a form of protest. Thats more of a programming/hardware issue.

 

[HemiDude]

They don't even want customers fixing their own equipment

This is true. They contacted me not long after I bought my lawn tractor about a small bulletin on something that I could fix myself. They wanted me to bring it in and I told them no. After multiple calls where I refused to return for just that, they actually sent a guy to my house to install a new dipstick. He and I both had a laugh about that.

 

[FirkeyAegis]

Matt Maran got a 2025 to review and it was littered with electrical issues.

Then today Butter Da Insider posts a video with credible evidence that UAW and Stellantis are squabbling and trucks are being sabotaged with purposeful quality issues.

My goodness... Ram sales went from stellar to the dump and these 25s aren't going to help.

If Matt Maran’s 2025 was already packed with electrical problems and now Butter Da Insider is suggesting sabotage from UAW and Stellantis disputes, it’s no wonder Ram sales are taking a hit. Quality issues like this can wreck customer trust fast, especially when people are already paying a premium for trucks. Stellantis really needs to get a handle on this before the 2025 models drag the brand down further.

 

[PetePA]

If Matt Maran’s 2025 was already packed with electrical problems and now Butter Da Insider is suggesting sabotage from UAW and Stellantis disputes, it’s no wonder Ram sales are taking a hit. Quality issues like this can wreck customer trust fast, especially when people are already paying a premium for trucks. Stellantis really needs to get a handle on this before the 2025 models drag the brand down further.

Fake news.

Their quality is amazing.

 

[DEG]

Quality issues like this can wreck customer trust fast, especially when people are already paying a premium for trucks.

Stop this nonsense. The price you pay for a vehicle has absolutely nothing to do quality expectations.

 

[SD Rebel]

Stop this nonsense. The price you pay for a vehicle has absolutely nothing to do quality expectations.

Yes, both quality and reliability expectations.

You think someone paying $70,000 for a new truck and having issues right off the bat is going to forgive it more than if they paid $40,000 for a different vehicle?

Factor in the lowest customer dealership service ratings in the industry, and you have a recipe for losing customers and bad word of mouth. Stellantis sales and rep are in the basement right now for a lot of reasons, but buggy expensive trucks and SUVs is a good part of it.

 

[PetePA]

If I was a moderator I'd close this non-value added thread. Probably ranks in the top 5 for BS lol.

 

[SD Rebel]

I know it's hard to look at right now, but how do you improve? Stellantis is in the news right now, and not for the right reasons. Even the biggest cheerleaders are complaining for a reason.

 

[PetePA]

I know it's hard to look at right now, but how do you improve? Stellantis is in the news right now, and not for the right reasons. Even the biggest cheerleaders are complaining for a reason.

I consider myself ridiculously picky. I'm a brand new customer and I have no complaints. In fact, the quality is better than anything I've ever experienced with any new car I've ever bought as was the service at the dealership. I guess that's why I facepalm at this thread... Well that and the tone of the videos I've seen on YouTube as clearly they're intended to be smear campaigns.

 

[DEG]

Yes, both quality and reliability expectations.

You think someone paying $70,000 for a new truck and having issues right off the bat is going to forgive it more than if they paid $40,000 for a different vehicle?

Factor in the lowest customer dealership service ratings in the industry, and you have a recipe for losing customers and bad word of mouth. Stellantis sales and rep are in the basement right now for a lot of reasons, but buggy expensive trucks and SUVs is a good part of it.

My point exactly, a person paying $40,000 has exactly the same quality and reliability expectations as the person paying $100,000 for their truck so the price of the truck is irrelevant to those expectations. Not sure what your first sentence means or why you are asking a question I addressed in the post you replied to.

 

[SD Rebel]

My point exactly, a person paying $40,000 has exactly the same quality and reliability expectations as the person paying $100,000 for their truck so the price of the truck is irrelevant to those expectations. Not sure what your first sentence means or why you are asking a question I addressed in the post you replied to.

Hmmmm, maybe? I expect both to be reliable, I agree with that. But I think I'll definitely be more upset if I bought an expensive vehicle and it's having similar issues over a cheaper one.

Another common scenario, if I own both a cheap and expensive one at the same time, and the expensive one is having issues and the cheap one isn't.

 

[SD Rebel]

I consider myself ridiculously picky. I'm a brand new customer and I have no complaints. In fact, the quality is better than anything I've ever experienced with any new car I've ever bought as was the service at the dealership. I guess that's why I facepalm at this thread... Well that and the tone of the videos I've seen on YouTube as clearly they're intended to be smear campaigns.

Sure, though quality and reliability are often different things. It may feel like a smear campaign, especially since we own them, but people clearly have issues. Is it out of proportion to reality? Likely, as is the whole Toyota Tundra and Tacoma thing. The truth I'm sure is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Idahoktm]

My point exactly, a person paying $40,000 has exactly the same quality and reliability expectations as the person paying $100,000 for their truck so the price of the truck is irrelevant to those expectations. Not sure what your first sentence means or why you are asking a question I addressed in the post you replied to.

I agree with this. I expect the same build quality and reliability with my Subaru Crosstrek as I do with my TRX. If I was buying a supercar, my standards would be different.

 

[RAM fanboy]

Do you guys think Ferrari or Lambo or even BMW are more reliable than Toyota & Honda? If so, read the question again.

 

[wvinson]

Do you guys think Ferrari or Lambo or even BMW are more reliable than Toyota & Honda? If so, read the question again.

Agreed -- my close friend has 3 2024 MB G Wagons and they've all had fuel pump issues leaving 2 stranded. Also, his $200k Porsche 911 Turbo S is sitting in his garage deemed by Porsche "unsafe to drive" because the front hubs can detach from the car -- parts available TBA in the next couple of months!

 

[PurpleRT]

Better stick w/ a 90s Honda or Toyota then. The more fancy tech something has the decrease in reliability but no we want 30 different massage settings and self driving vehicles. Then scream and panic post when any little thing goes wrong. The Tradesman trim and Tungsten trim you guessed it built in the same factory with the same QC, doesn’t matter how much more you paid.


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[DEG]

Hmmmm, maybe? I expect both to be reliable, I agree with that. But I think I'll definitely be more upset if I bought an expensive vehicle and it's having similar issues over a cheaper one.

Another common scenario, if I own both a cheap and expensive one at the same time, and the expensive one is having issues and the cheap one isn't.

If you think you would be more upset with a $100K vehicle breaking than you would if a $40k vehicle breaks you are in an extreme minority. The person who buys the new $40K new truck is likely buying a truck that consumes the same percent of his income as the person buying the $100K truck.

Yet again, what someone pays for a new vehicle is completely irrelevant to their expectations of reliability.

 

[Biga]

Yes, both quality and reliability expectations.

You think someone paying $70,000 for a new truck and having issues right off the bat is going to forgive it more than if they paid $40,000 for a different vehicle?

Factor in the lowest customer dealership service ratings in the industry, and you have a recipe for losing customers and bad word of mouth. Stellantis sales and rep are in the basement right now for a lot of reasons, but buggy expensive trucks and SUVs is a good part of it.

No, normally the more expensive the vehicle is the more content it has and the more chance for issues.