2021 Stolen Ram Rebel 1500!

[Eighty]

I guess for people who have never used the TazerDT security functions, sure. Not a single post in that thread mentioned anything about HOW the TazerDT could be defeated.

I ain't bashing the Tazer, just passing this along. Here's what he said about how to defeat the Tazer.

Not correct actually, remove it, delete/make new fob, turn on ignition and release parking brakes, hook up your laptop to the same connectors when making the fob, use a very well known program (and several others) to relearn throttle parameters that were wiped off the eeprom and saved into the tazer so it can rewrite it when you unlocked with fob or pin and drive it away. About 3-4 minutes taking your time. Not trying to **** on it all or push IGLA in any way, I make nothing at all posting information or when someone gets an install, I am doing what Joe isn’t doing and giving all the factual information so that people are duped into a false advertised (or in this case incorrectly advertised) product.

 

[OCD Solutions]

FYI, Canada has not banned guns, it just restricts which ones you can own. Plenty of rifles and shotguns still, just very few handguns or what they deem to eb restricted weapons. I actually owned 3 times more guns in Canada than I do in the US but I hunted back then too. My only argument on this point in this context is that if you think guns are a deterrent then the US should have significantly lower auto stats than Canada, and it does not. But, this is a big city issue, not a country issue so I don't think the borders and gun laws account for much.

I kept a loaded shotgun beside the side door at all times for “bears” like this guy who wander through the yard on occasion.

 

[HSKR R/T]

If you set a pin with the Tazer, what happens if you unplug it?

I don't use pin lock feature, but if you remove the TazerDT, you are unable to start the truck unless you disable the pin lock before removing it

 

[HSKR R/T]

I'm a supporting member there, so I don't get the pop-ups.

It could be user error. I'm going more by what one of the resident "experts" says, and just passed along that screenshot. The guy is an IGLA installer, so he obviously has a reason to trash-talk other products. But for what it's worth, he really seems to know his stuff about how to bypass weak products.

This is the screen shot I was referring to about user error. I have had that exact thing happen to me, and the problem was, I accidentally hit the lock button on the fob after getting in the truck. Which "armed" the killfob feature. Thereby causing it to do what it's supposed to do. Had to turn truck off, open the door, then lock/unlock truck with fob. It then started and drove fine with no warning lights.

 

[milks669]

That sux. sorry to hear that. I bet if guns weren’t banned in Canada the criminals would think twice before stealing.

You got that right bro...... I'll be the first with one as I don't agree with the strict gun laws here.

 

[milks669]

The problem is that Canada, as well as the US, are not holding criminals responsible for their actions. It’s that simple. Even if they are caught, they are slapped on the wrist and chalked up as victims of “systemic problems.”

I don't disagree. Well, look who we have running the 2 countries man. They just caught around 6 guys for car theft, 3 of them were out on bail for car theft. It's a joke man. I hate it man.

 

[milks669]

Most of those thefts are in the ghetto cities that ban guns.

LOL, I don't disagree man. Heaven forbid I could have a gun to protect myself. Our government don't care about us, and ban the crap out of them. What gives?

 

[milks669]

I have Ravelco on my truck. It's simple (i.e., low tech), and very easy to use. You just remove a "plug" when you get out, and reinstall it when you get back in. It disables the ignition and fuel pump, so the only way to steal the truck is to drag it away (or spend a fair amount of time under the hood rewiring). Time is the enemy of a thief, so this is a good solution for me. The downside is that you lose remote-start capabilities when the plug is removed. The other downside: A thief can still wipe your key fobs before he realizes he can't steal it (requiring you to have it reprogrammed). It's a $600 cost (roughly) to have Ravelco installed.

IGLA is the other popular option. It's an electronic device that is buried deep in the CAN wiring (and so well hidden that it's almost impossible to find). It electronically disables everything (including making a new key fob). It's arguably a much more sophisticated option, and it still allows remote start. The downside, other than cost ($1200), is that you have to carry an extra key fob. Or set it up so that you input a button-sequence whenever you start it up (basically, it's a PIN code). And just so you know, it's a Russian-made device (in case you have any feelings about that).

I've considered adding an IGLA to my truck (in addition to Ravelco), but honestly I've just been too lazy to do it. If you have the extra funds, I would probably recommend IGLA, as it's a more robust anti-theft solution. And you can pair it with some other devices to add tracking capabilities and such. I'm not super-knowledgeable on those, though.

Interesting.

 

[milks669]

You know, there are some pretty decent anti-theft solutions out there. Ravelco and IGLA are the two most popular options.
Rather than wring your hands about rampant theft and soft-on-crime policies, why not prevent the theft in the first place?

Like I mentioned, I had compustar immobilizer installed and it's working fairly good. It's an electronic kill switch essentially. The thing I like about this one, is if someone opens the door with the fob, and the immobilizer is engaged, it'll notify me in a few ways. One the fob goes nuts with beeping, and 2 I get a notification on my phone. You think adding something like Ravelco on top is overkill? I don't know. I do have a piece of mind, but you never know man.

 

[milks669]

Thanks for the great response. I had a friend in high school who drove a '69 Dodge Coronet which had an even lower tech solution where he had a threaded knob under his dash that completed the ignition connection so you couldn't easily hotwire it. Ravelco sounds like a fancier version of that, but it's effective as you pointed out.

This is all good food for thought. Thanks again!

Oh, and OP, I'm really sorry to hear about your truck. And very happy to hear you love the new one.

Thanks brother. Means a lot.

 

[Eighty]

Like I mentioned, I had compustar immobilizer installed and it's working fairly good. It's an electronic kill switch essentially. The thing I like about this one, is if someone opens the door with the fob, and the immobilizer is engaged, it'll notify me in a few ways. One the fob goes nuts with beeping, and 2 I get a notification on my phone. You think adding something like Ravelco on top is overkill? I don't know. I do have a piece of mind, but you never know man.

An electronic measure coupled with a mechanical measure isn’t a bad idea at all

 

[OCD Solutions]

It doesn’t always have to be complicated either. Something one-off and unconventional could trip them up as well. If they can’t get it within a certain time frame, they will bail.

On my 88 F250 that I converted to propane and removed the front and rear tanks, I repurposed the front/rear tank switch and wired it in series with the clutch depressed switch. Instead of front/rear, it was f@cked/run. The truck wouldn’t crank, same as if the clutch wasn’t depressed. If I did it again, I'd interrupt power to the fuel pump and starter.

 

[milks669]

An electronic measure coupled with a mechanical measure isn’t a bad idea at all

Very true. At the the end of the day

I don't take a stance either way on the fact that they're Russian. It's a good product, but for anyone who has beef with Russians in general, it's important for them to know the truth.

Agreed!

 

[Idahoktm]

I guess for people who have never used the TazerDT security functions, sure. Not a single post in that thread mentioned anything about HOW the TazerDT could be defeated.

Air'd outSRT actually explained how to defeat the Tazer DT with the metal box, in detail. He didn't tell you which wires to cut because that would be a jerk move.

Ok, here is some hard truths and facts. Tazer even with the update is nothing more than a theft deterrent and is in noway an anti theft, immobilizer, alarm, security device ect. It can 100% be found in seconds, 100% be removed from the equation and the metal box is 100% not going to stop it because it does not have to be taken apart to remove it at all. Simply cut a couple wire, not even all of them and it is no more. The brick by fob or whatever other fancy names Joe gives it will not stop a theft at all even if it actually worked 100% of the time instead of choosing when it wants to work. You cut horn wires, break back glass, pull headlight switch, remove tazer, hook up and delete fobs, make a new one, turn ignition on, release parking brake, open your laptop, go into hp tuners and relearn throttle parameters, start it and drive it away. Total time 3 minutes at most depending on if they have done one or 10.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Air'd outSRT actually explained how to defeat the Tazer DT with the metal box, in detail. He didn't tell you which wires to cut because that would be a jerk move.

No amount of anti-theft devices will stop a determined thief. Most stealing these trucks aren't going to take the time to do all those steps. And the ones that have the proper equipment to do it won't care what you have on the truck.

And even as he mentioned z if it's just a deterrent, that will stop 99.9% of the thefts because it takes them extra time. Even OP said they were in and done in a minute with his truck. Adding 3-4 minutes having to try and defeat a security device is too much time. They an just move on to the net easier target.

Seems to be a lot of anti-Tazer people over there. Or at least quite a few vocal ones.

 

[Eighty]

No amount of anti-theft devices will stop a determined thief. Most stealing these trucks aren't going to take the time to do all those steps. And the ones that have the proper equipment to do it won't care what you have on the truck.

And even as he mentioned z if it's just a deterrent, that will stop 99.9% of the thefts because it takes them extra time. Even OP said they were in and done in a minute with his truck. Adding 3-4 minutes having to try and defeat a security device is too much time. They an just move on to the net easier target.

Seems to be a lot of anti-Tazer people over there. Or at least quite a few vocal ones.

There are fanboys and haters for everything. Lots of spirited discussion, that's for sure. Personally, I like the Tazer...but I absolutely wouldn't use it for security. There are just too many weird things happening, as reported by several people. Even I have some weird things happening with the Tazer. For example, about 20% of the time, Kill3Honk doesn't work. And in the past 2 weeks, I've had several occasions where it doesn't set my "Drive Mode" to Custom at startup. It's a fun device, but it's not terribly reliable. And I only want reliability when it comes to things that are actively disabling my truck.

 

[HSKR R/T]

There are fanboys and haters for everything. Lots of spirited discussion, that's for sure. Personally, I like the Tazer...but I absolutely wouldn't use it for security. There are just too many weird things happening, as reported by several people. Even I have some weird things happening with the Tazer. For example, about 20% of the time, Kill3Honk doesn't work. And in the past 2 weeks, I've had several occasions where it doesn't set my "Drive Mode" to Custom at startup. It's a fun device, but it's not terribly reliable. And I only want reliability when it comes to things that are actively disabling my truck.

The more features added/used, the more likely for issues. I don't use a lot of the live settings personally. Don't need kill honk, even if my truck had the honking, i wouldn't use it as I don't get out of my truck, while it's running, enough to bother me. don't have different drive modes to worry about. Don't have different keys for different power levels that complicate the RF Hub.......

To me, just from what I've seen on this forum, and the examples being given from the TRX forum, it appears the TRX owners are having more issues. Probably just because the electronics in the TRX are different enough to cause problems non-TRX owners won't have.

Google search turns up quite a few people having issues with IGLA on their vehicles, so I wouldn't say it's less issue free. Maybe there just aren't enough on TRX forums using it to hear about issues. Also, since it has an app, it can be hacked. There are even reports of the IGLA and similar devices being hacked. I mean really, any electronic device will have reports of not working properly. Just depends on how much you want to read about issues, and who is giving you the information. You have one of the most vocal people in TRX forum that is an installer z and he sure as hell isn't going to talk bad about a product he makes money on. Even if he has had to deal with issues from customers.

To the OP, IMO, the TazerDT is a viable option. That's from personal use. As with any aftermarket parts use at your own risk. Do what makes you feel the most comfortable.

 

[Idahoktm]

No amount of anti-theft devices will stop a determined thief. Most stealing these trucks aren't going to take the time to do all those steps. And the ones that have the proper equipment to do it won't care what you have on the truck.

And even as he mentioned z if it's just a deterrent, that will stop 99.9% of the thefts because it takes them extra time. Even OP said they were in and done in a minute with his truck. Adding 3-4 minutes having to try and defeat a security device is too much time. They an just move on to the net easier target.

Seems to be a lot of anti-Tazer people over there. Or at least quite a few vocal ones.

It's possible that they won't spend more than a minute or two on a BH, Laramie, or Limited. I really haven't paid attention to vehicle theft that much until I bought a TRX. I can tell you I have seen video footage of 15+ minute attempts on Hellcat powered cars/trucks.

I don't believe a single Ravelco or IGLA anti theft device has ever been defeated. If they have a tow truck, all bets are off.

I don't see much hate for the Tazer on the Ram-TRX forum. A lot of guys have it on their TRX's, but none of them see it as a serious theft deterrent.

 

[HSKR R/T]

It's possible that they won't spend more than a minute or two on a BH, Laramie, or Limited. I really haven't paid attention to vehicle theft that much until I bought a TRX. I can tell you I have seen video footage of 15+ minute attempts on Hellcat powered cars/trucks.

I don't believe a single Ravelco or IGLA anti theft device has ever been defeated. If they have a tow truck, all bets are off.

I don't see much hate for the Tazer on the Ram-TRX forum. A lot of guys have it on their TRX's, but none of them see it as a serious theft deterrent.

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[arod412]

Trying to figure out what I want to do security wise for my ram and ran into this thread. I have a tazer in my charger. There are pros and cons to every security system. I actually like the tazer because there are trying to fix something that dodge/ram won't.

With that said, first time they introduced the pin feature it did fry my rf hub and had to get it towed. $1600 , new rf hub, and 2 brand new keys and the charger is fine again. They 100% stand by their product and they reimbursed me for the entire repair.

I still have the tazer installed on my charger and it has gotten better over time. Yes, even if you remove it, as long as you have the pin setting it will kill the gas petal. But here is the thing why I like it...it's not just for security, it's for Performace as well. It unlocked other features for me...like disabling mds, keep sport mode on, and gave me line lock and engine cooling when it's off.

But it should not be the only thing used. Having multiple layers will make any their waste more time and just give up.

With that said, I haven't bought the tazer for the ram yet because I'm holding out on when the ram ev will come out and I would get that instead. (Go ahead and give me cr@p for getting an ev...lol... for me, I use the truck but I drive very short distances and my commute to work is literally 5 miles round trip...but that's for another thread).

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