2020 Ram Rebel with warn bumper

[rebel70]

Hey everyone, I was wondering if any of you had luck with the Warn 103638 bumper. Says it’s for all 19+ Ram models. I have a 2020 Ram Rebel… wondering if anyone has tried one out yet? I would really like one on my Rebel. Pics if you do please!!

heres the link for reference:

Ascent Front Bumper for '19-'21 Ram 1500 - 103638

Warn is excited to introduce the following new Ascent bumper application for the 2019-current Ram 1500.

www.warn.com

Thanks in advance!

 

[BigBlueBeast]

I am also curious about this

 

[CalgaryJohn87]

I seen this one in person at a Cabelas here in Calgary. The guy told me he loved it and it was the only one he could find that was made for a Rebel. It looked real slick on the truck.

Hidden Winch Mount | 5th Gen | 2019-2024 RAM Rebel

We set the industry standard in winch mounts for your 2019 - 2024 RAM REBEL. Our bracket kit integrates seamlessly behind your factory bumper enabling you to confidently take your RAM REBEL further than Mopar ever dreamed. What makes our hidden winch mounts the best? Check out all of the...

www.vicedesign.ca

 

[silverWS6]

ADD also has a bumper with a winch available.

Their wait time is a little long tho...

 

[BGL]

I seen this one in person at a Cabelas here in Calgary. The guy told me he loved it and it was the only one he could find that was made for a Rebel. It looked real slick on the truck.

Hidden Winch Mount | 5th Gen | 2019-2024 RAM Rebel

We set the industry standard in winch mounts for your 2019 - 2024 RAM REBEL. Our bracket kit integrates seamlessly behind your factory bumper enabling you to confidently take your RAM REBEL further than Mopar ever dreamed. What makes our hidden winch mounts the best? Check out all of the...

www.vicedesign.ca

Video of an installation

 

[70runner]

A word of caution regarding truck powered winches.

The 1500 Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS), module attached to the battery negative post, can be an issue for winches. 9-12K winches can pull upwards of 400 amps. Bosch, the IBS manufacturer, rates the 1500 IBS module at "approximately 200 amps". They were unwilling to provide exact specs. If the winch negative is attached to the IBS post, the IBS module could potentially be damaged by current demands beyond its design spec. The alternative, attaching winch negative directly to the battery post bypassing the IBS, could adversely impact IBS function.

Inquiries on this matter to RAM Corporate by a couple of us on this forum have essentially been ignored. One RAM response "ground the winch to the engine" is remarkably bad advice as this places not only the IBS at risk but also the engine-battery ground cable. The Vice Design (video above) guys are aware of this issue. You can read an exchange in the comments section between a couple of us and Vice Design in the video below.

Working through Warn Industries, we were able to identify the Stellantis IBS engineer. I sent him a direct email 3 weeks ago addressing this issue. No response to date.

 

[Chippy]

A word of caution regarding truck powered winches.

The 1500 Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS), module attached to the battery negative post, can be an issue for winches. 9-12K winches can pull upwards of 400 amps. Bosch, the IBS manufacturer, rates the 1500 IBS module at "approximately 200 amps". They were unwilling to provide exact specs. If the winch negative is attached to the IBS post, the IBS module could potentially be damaged by current demands beyond its design spec. The alternative, attaching winch negative directly to the battery post bypassing the IBS, could adversely impact IBS function.

Inquiries on this matter to RAM Corporate by a couple of us on this forum have essentially been ignored. One RAM response "ground the winch to the engine" is remarkably bad advice as this places not only the IBS at risk but also the engine-battery ground cable. The Vice Design (video above) guys are aware of this issue. You can read an exchange in the comments section between a couple of us and Vice Design in the video below.

Working through Warn Industries, we were able to identify the Stellantis IBS engineer. I sent him a direct email 3 weeks ago addressing this issue. No response to date.

Interesting as I have my 1200k Smitty grounded to the chassis and have had no issues using it many times. Are there people here that have had issues?

 

[Harley6845]

Did you change your front bumper

 

[Chippy]

If your asking me. Nope

 

[Harley6845]

If your asking me. Nope

Ok thank you trying to find a oem bumber

 

[70runner]

Interesting as I have my 1200k Smitty grounded to the chassis and have had no issues using it many times. Are there people here that have had issues?

I haven't read of any problems. However, the potential (pardon the pun) for a problem exists if the winch is in an extreme load condition, sending 300-400 amps through the chassis-battery ground cable and the IBS. These components in the 1500 are rated for approx 200 amps. The Powerwagon/HD trucks with built in winch use a much higher rated IBS and ground cable.

 

[Chippy]

I understand those changes in the powerwagon are there for an engineering reason. I wonder what it would take to upgrade our system to protect against the amp draw. Actually used my winch today for a full pull through a snow drift.

 

[ayoslickxd]

as of right now im adding a aux battery. and start battery isolator. right now im wondering if i should get a 200 amp isolater or one that says its rated for 500, the winch says max amperage can pull about 400 amps
im new to this and reading alot of things even read that i could isolate the batteries or have them run as one together … so confusing

https://redarcelectronics.com/products/smart-start-sbi-12v-200a (200 amp)

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=1508379 (500 amp)

 

[Nova90]

I understand those changes in the powerwagon are there for an engineering reason. I wonder what it would take to upgrade our system to protect against the amp draw. Actually used my winch today for a full pull through a snow drift. View attachment 118044View attachment 118045View attachment 118046View attachment 118047

Beautiful shots

 

[Chippy]

FYI my Smitty 12k is grounded to the chassis. Maybe that’s why I haven’t had an issue?

 

[yosh_lopez]

FYI my Smitty 12k is grounded to the chassis. Maybe that’s why I haven’t had an issue?

where on the chassis did you ground the winch?

 

[Chippy]

If I remember correctly it was the one that comes off the battery to the truck. It’s short next to the battery. So in theory I guess it’s technically still grounded to the battery as well. However it’s not on the cable that has that black box which I think is the IBS.

 

[yosh_lopez]

If I remember correctly it was the one that comes off the battery to the truck. It’s short next to the battery. So in theory I guess it’s technically still grounded to the battery as well. However it’s not on the cable that has that black box which I think is the IBS.

Thanks for the quick answer! Have you had any issues when using the winch on pulls? Lights or error messages on the dash?

 

[Chippy]

Never an issue, none

 

[70runner]

I understand those changes in the powerwagon are there for an engineering reason. I wonder what it would take to upgrade our system to protect against the amp draw.

Precisely. I believe they use a 440 amp alternator, so all the battery/ground cabling and IBS is spec'd for the higher amperage. Fellow member on this forum contacted Bosch (IBS manufacturer) to pursue this angle - adapting the HD IBS to the 1500. They were unresponsive. The Stellantis 1500 IBS design engineer has still not responded to my queries on this matter. Using a truck powered 400 amp winch on a 1500, as you and others have, may work fine, though there is a degree of risk to the 1500 IBS module and/or ground cabling.

As to grounding the winch to the chassis, that arrangement still routes current through the IBS. Only way to circumvent the IBS is to ground the winch between the IBS and battery post.