Looking to Buy - 6 vs 8 cylinder?

[BowDown]

understand fully tear down that V8 and tear down that INLINE 6 at 50k and tell me what it looks like still a thin walled motor,

Understand fully,

Motors convert electric energy into mechanical energy, engines convert fuel into mechanical energy using combustion.
But..., that thin walled "motor"

Tough Coating for the Cylinders
Less friction, reduced weight and unparalleled wear resistance from a thermal sprayed microstructure of metallic and oxide components that metallurgically transform are the key benefits of the PTWA coating inside the cylinders, an alternative to the traditional cast-in-place or pressed-in cast iron cylinder liners. The PTWA coating is ultra-thin, compared with 3 to 4 millimeters of a cast iron liner and has 10 times the wear resistance.

Minimizing friction throughout the engine enhances its efficiency, reducing its emissions and fuel consumption.

The PTWA coating is applied to the Hurricane block during the manufacturing process at the Saltillo Engine Plant. The process, adapted from the aerospace industry, melts a steel alloy wire at 2,300 degrees Celsius (4,150 degrees Fahrenheit), producing microscopic particles sprayed onto the cylinder walls at high velocities, where the particles splat-cool to form the coating and form a physical bond to the aluminum cylinder bore. Honing the surface gives it a super-fine cross hatch pattern with controlled micro porosity for oil retention.

The PTWA spray process leaves more aluminum between the cylinders for better heat transfer and engine cooling. This enables propulsion engineers to optimize the air-fuel mixture and advance the ignition timing (spark) over a wide operating range, another mechanism to reduce carbon dioxide and other emissions.

Soo, that "thin walled" block isn't really an issue and wears better than an iron block/liner

 

[boomtastic]

Glad you are happy they are still pushing a very small 6 to hard , just my take.

You've never heard of a Toyota 2JZ engine? Toyota's legendary 3.0l Supra (and much more) engine that is a tuner's dream? Their flagship performance motor that was created from the ground up to accept boost? Same thing. RAM is even going to offer a HurriCrate Cat X engine with "mid 1000hp". These engines have been highly tested and are fine. (Body electronics are in a different category)

Also the SST turbos are basically Garrett GT2860RS clones. Those are the infamous "disco potato" turbos. I'll let you Google those but suffice it to say that they are some of the best you can get.

 

[RHO]

He clearly has zero understanding of modern mechanics.

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

 

[HSKR R/T]

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

Your comments about the hurricane say otherwise. I will just leave it at that.

 

[BowDown]

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

Report us?

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

Your comments are in contradiction to your claimed knowledge.

 

[azzx]

Hemi is good. Sounds great.
Hurricane is light-years ahead of Hemi from a performance perspective -- especially the HO engine.
Return of Hemi is a stunt by Stellantis to bring the brand off the cliff of extinction.
RAM fudgesickled the electronics for 2025 MOY. I have had countless UConnect issues -- Dealers and Stellantis are still clueless about the electronic gremlins.

 

[BowDown]

Hemi is good. Sounds great.
Hurricane is light-years ahead of Hemi from a performance perspective -- especially the HO engine.
Return of Hemi is a stunt by Stellantis to bring the brand off the cliff of extinction.
RAM fudgesickled the electronics for 2025 MOY. I have had countless UConnect issues -- Dealers and Stellantis are still clueless about the electronic gremlins.

I have to agree. I've had this SST SO Ram for about a week and I must say that I am much impressed with the way it drives and has part throttle power everywhere, the HEMI has nothing on this engine even in SO trim. The one negative I've noticed is some erratic shifting out of 1st gear but this is a rental that i'm sure hasn't had a pleasant life or even been taken in for any updates. Overall, it drives really really good and the torque is a very nice improvement over the 5.7. I'm averaging about 1/2 MPG better taking over the same route than my truck, about the same in the city driving so it may be a little better on the highway.

I'm considering a Tungsten primarily for 2 reasons. My truck is at 97K miles and it seems like 100K miles takes a serious deprecation hit and 25 is the last year for the sea-salt interior, I don't want plain black. The HO in the tungsten is just extra, I'd by the truck with the 5.7 or the HO but if the So is this good, the HO must be really nice

 

[azzx]

Yep - the shifting sucks, I have had many so-called tranny flashes and still it is not smooth.
BTW - my MPG @ 12000 miles so far is about 2 MPG better than my Hemi. Same routes/speed/driving habits.

 

[ncdoc]

RAM fudgesickled the electronics for 2025 MOY. I have had countless UConnect issues -- Dealers and Stellantis are still clueless about the electronic gremlins.

This is money. What an engine. Blows the old HEMI away. They just can't figure out all the crazy electronics. Only issues I have had. Love the inline 6.

G

 

[azzx]

This is money. What an engine. Blows the old HEMI away. They just can't figure out all the crazy electronics. Only issues I have had. Love the inline 6.

G

It is a good engine --- I don't give a **** about most of the useless/uneducated proclamations about this engine's possible failures. All engines fail at some point.
Straight six engines have always been the source of torque.
Tourbos are here to stay -- they may fall apart same as other engines.
( I am not a Setellanits fan) They F......up the implementation of the electronics on this truck

 

[RamBum]

I'm on my fifth Ram, and getting ready to order my sixth from Mark Dodge. I've had three Hemis, an Eco-Diesel, and right now a 2025 Limited with the Hurricane HO. I had good luck with all of my Rams, but I have to say this Hurricane is my favorite of the bunch. Smooth and powerful, no issues whatsoever. Miss my memory of the Hemi rumble, but that's about it. It gets about 1 mile per gallon more than my last Hemi (2023 eTorque) and just has tons of power. Just could not see going back.

 

[wvinson]

This is my 5th Ram 1500 as well and by far the best!

 

[PetePA]

you are 100% correct on all point's. i GUARENTEE you will never see a "high mile" hurricane. if you trade you truck in before 100k maybe or lease go ahead and get the I6 if you want to keep it long term ya better get the V8. the turbo gasoline motors will not hold up. just wait till turbo's need to be replaced out of warrantee then you will see why the resale will be less.

The only thing I can GUARENTEE is that you don't have spell check turned on

On a serious note, I really am curious whether these turbos will end up being problematic. Certainly most turbos are very reliable nowadays... So I guess we'll see if the hurricane design ends up being problematic - which would be far from the 2020s norm.

 

[RAL]

The only thing I can GUARENTEE is that you don't have spell check turned on

On a serious note, I really am curious whether these turbos will end up being problematic. Certainly most turbos are very reliable nowadays... So I guess we'll see if the hurricane design ends up being problematic - which would be far from the 2020s norm.

Unless Ram / Stellantis wants to tank a valuable brand, no. It is likely they will be fine with normal maintenance. People forget that in the car/truck business, owner retention is a primary goal. Too many people think the manufacturers don’t care about what happens out of warranty but I can tell you from people in that business they do because they want to sell you your next vehicle.

 

[steves1911]

Glad you are happy they are still pushing a very small 6 to hard , just my take.

Tuners , builders, and aftermarket shops are modding these and putting them in everything from giant go karts to 1st gen dakotas and one has already made its way into a viper recently. They are making 4 digit power too. We've only begun to see what they are capable of. The internals on the hurricane are wildly more capable of holding power than the hemi there is no disputing that. Guys pay big money to upgrade to forged internals on motors of all kinds .

 

[steves1911]

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

Are we really serious right now? Those cylinder walls are a lot thicker than your skin thats for sure.

 

[steves1911]

I am a Electronic Tech , Many Many years , Dad and uncle had a family repair auto shop ,have been around and messing around with all types of engines , I have a very good understanding of how things work one more crack like that and i will report all of you , thanks,

So you have messed around with all types of engines and know electronics yet seem to lack the basic understanding of metallurgy. Not all blocks, pistons, rods, etc are the same....thought you worked on all kinds clearly not

 

[392DCGC]

I've put a few thousand miles in my wife's GW with the HO - the Hurricane is impressive, no doubt about that. But we are looking at swapping her GW S2 for a S3, and I am specifically seeking out one with the 6.4 Hemi. After test driving one, having been away from the Hemi for several years now, I am vying to go back while we still can. Yes, the power difference is there clearly in favor of the Hurricane... but it's not significant enough to matter to me. We are rarely digging into the accelerator, and even when we do, there's plenty of power with either engine. But the Hemi always gives audible satisfaction, and is why RAM is bringing it back.

I was considering jumping into a Tungsten as I'm sucker for a nice interior, but the Hurricane just has no character to it other than being powerful. In our GW it at least has a little low-end grunt on shifts, but in the RAM it seemed much quieter? I get more enjoyment hearing the clatter and whistle of my EcoDiesel or growl of a Hemi than occasionally being pushed back a little harder in the seat. And one of the GW S3's we looked at locally had a failed turbo at 35K miles FWIW.

 

[wvinson]

Tuners , builders, and aftermarket shops are modding these and putting them in everything from giant go karts to 1st gen dakotas and one has already made its way into a viper recently. They are making 4 digit power too. We've only begun to see what they are capable of. The internals on the hurricane are wildly more capable of holding power than the hemi there is no disputing that. Guys pay big money to upgrade to forged internals on motors of all kinds .

Again, the hurricane is way overbuilt for sure to handle these mods

 

[BowDown]

I've put a few thousand miles in my wife's GW with the HO - the Hurricane is impressive, no doubt about that. But we are looking at swapping her GW S2 for a S3, and I am specifically seeking out one with the 6.4 Hemi. After test driving one, having been away from the Hemi for several years now, I am vying to go back while we still can. Yes, the power difference is there clearly in favor of the Hurricane... but it's not significant enough to matter to me. We are rarely digging into the accelerator, and even when we do, there's plenty of power with either engine. But the Hemi always gives audible satisfaction, and is why RAM is bringing it back.

I was considering jumping into a Tungsten as I'm sucker for a nice interior, but the Hurricane just has no character to it other than being powerful. In our GW it at least has a little low-end grunt on shifts, but in the RAM it seemed much quieter? I get more enjoyment hearing the clatter and whistle of my EcoDiesel or growl of a Hemi than occasionally being pushed back a little harder in the seat. And one of the GW S3's we looked at locally had a failed turbo at 35K miles FWIW.

Turbos have been around for a while now, the donkey Jesus rode into Jerusalem had a 60/65 turbo.
The GW probably never changed the oil, that's the only weakness with turbos but that's also the weakness of engines.

I'm working a deal on a tungsten now since my 20 was in an accident. I'll miss the V8 rumble but I'll get over it, I prefer a quieter cabin anyway.
If it want to hear a V8 rumble, I still have my car