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REV vs Ramcharger - who would buy a REV?

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MT755 said:
Buying a vehicle with both a engine and motor from a company that can't launch a engine only change sounds like fun
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Well to be fair the engine in the Ram Charger is the proven Pentastar V6 and a stripped down version at that.
 
Biga said:
Well to be fair the engine in the Ram Charger is the proven Pentastar V6 and a stripped down version at that.
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Not sure what you mean by "a stripped down version at that". The sole purpose of the engine in the Ram Charger is to run a generator. Seems like a great choice for that purpose.
 
mikeru82 said:
Not sure what you mean by "a stripped down version at that". The sole purpose of the engine in the Ram Charger is to run a generator. Seems like a great choice for that purpose.
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Maybe it doesn’t run power steering, and AC. I really don’t know what stripped down means. It is a good proven engine tho
 
theblet said:
Maybe it doesn’t run power steering, and AC. I really don’t know what stripped down means. It is a good proven engine tho
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yes, it doesn't have all the accessories attached to it. Also I assume it will be under a much lighter load and not always running.
 
theblet said:
Maybe it doesn’t run power steering, and AC. I really don’t know what stripped down means. It is a good proven engine tho
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I haven't seen details to that degree on which accessories are powered by the v6, if any. The one pic I saw looks like it has at least one accessory that it's driving. But there is a cover over the belt system so I can't tell what it is from the angle of the pic. I'll post that below. The power steering on 5th gens is electric, so there's no reason to believe they'll go back to a belt driven P/S pump on the Ram Charger. As far as AC goes, something will have to power the compressor. I see no reason why the v6 can't do that unless there are times when the engine isn't running at all (which is possible). But I haven't read anything that definitively says that. Maybe other's have? Of course, much of what I've just posted is based on assumption and opinion LOL.

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Biga said:
yes, it doesn't have all the accessories attached to it. Also I assume it will be under a much lighter load and not always running.
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I wouldn't call that stripped down. A more accurate description would be unburdened.
 
mikeru82 said:
I haven't seen details to that degree on which accessories are powered by the v6, if any. The one pic I saw looks like it has at least one accessory that it's driving. But there is a cover over the belt system so I can't tell what it is from the angle of the pic. I'll post that below. The power steering on 5th gens is electric, so there's no reason to believe they'll go back to a belt driven P/S pump on the Ram Charger. As far as AC goes, something will have to power the compressor. I see no reason why the v6 can't do that unless there are times when the engine isn't running at all (which is possible). But I haven't read anything that definitively says that. Maybe other's have? Of course, much of what I've just posted is based on assumption and opinion LOL.

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I wouldn't call that stripped down. A more accurate description would be unburdened.
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For certain no accessories will be driven directly by the V6 gas engine. The gas engine will do two things only: (1) take care of itself - whatever it needs to run (like water pump, oil pump), (2) spin the generator. Air conditioning compressor, power steering, etc. will all be electrically driven. It's a full-on EV plus an on-board, gasoline-powered electrical generator that can feed electricity either to the EV battery or directly to the electric traction motors, or both simultaneously. Think of it as a Tesla, with an on-board gasoline-ppwered generator to replenish the EV battery as needed.
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go-ram said:
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For certain no accessories will be driven directly by the V6 gas engine. The gas engine will do two things only: (1) take care of itself - whatever it needs to run (like water pump, oil pump), (2) spin the generator. Air conditioning compressor, power steering, etc. will all be electrically driven. It's a full-on EV plus an on-board, gasoline-powered electrical generator that can feed electricity either to the EV battery or directly to the electric traction motors, or both simultaneously. Think of it as a Tesla, with an on-board gasoline-ppwered generator to replenish the EV battery as needed.
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Not sure if you're speaking from insider knowledge or opinion, but I have no reason to disagree. In doing a little research on the current Pentastar engine, it does look like that's where the water pump is located. So it's the only external thing driven by the v6 on the Ramcharger. Oil pump is internal and would obviously be powered by the engine. I'm a little surprised that there is no alternator, but then again there's probably no need for a 12v battery in this truck. Voltage from the main battery pack can be regulated down for any lower voltage needs.
 
mikeru82 said:
I haven't seen details to that degree on which accessories are powered by the v6, if any. The one pic I saw looks like it has at least one accessory that it's driving. But there is a cover over the belt system so I can't tell what it is from the angle of the pic. I'll post that below. The power steering on 5th gens is electric, so there's no reason to believe they'll go back to a belt driven P/S pump on the Ram Charger. As far as AC goes, something will have to power the compressor. I see no reason why the v6 can't do that unless there are times when the engine isn't running at all (which is possible). But I haven't read anything that definitively says that. Maybe other's have? Of course, much of what I've just posted is based on assumption and opinion LOL.

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I wouldn't call that stripped down. A more accurate description would be unburdened.
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Un burdened by what has been. Lol
 
mikeru82 said:
Not sure if you're speaking from insider knowledge or opinion, but I have no reason to disagree. In doing a little research on the current Pentastar engine, it does look like that's where the water pump is located. So it's the only external thing driven by the v6 on the Ramcharger. Oil pump is internal and would obviously be powered by the engine. I'm a little surprised that there is no alternator, but then again there's probably no need for a 12v battery in this truck. Voltage from the main battery pack can be regulated down for any lower voltage needs.
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Not an insider, but it can't be any other way. If the Ramcharger is to run for up to 145 miles in electric-only mode, all of the traditional engine-belt-driven accessories have to be electrically powered (steering, air-conditioner). Heck, my 20-year-old Prius town car beater has the AC powered via electric motor, no coupling to the gas engine at all for the AC compressor.
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They should just cancel it completely IMHO. I don't see them selling enough to make back what they've spent on R&D let alone what they will end up spending actually producing them.
 
Electric trucks are fine for light duty or no towing. They're basically EV cars with the ability to put something in the bed for short trips. It's been shown repeatedly that EV trucks can't tow and still expect to get any type of travel distance. Great, it has a 500 mile range, but when you're towing you're cut down to 100 miles. Then you're charging for 45-90 minutes to drive another 100 miles. It would take me 5 hours to get to Nashville when it normally takes 2.5. The Ramcharger/PHEV should have been the choice long before any all-EV truck that you expect to do truck things.
 
LaxDfns15 said:
Electric trucks are fine for light duty or no towing. They're basically EV cars with the ability to put something in the bed for short trips. It's been shown repeatedly that EV trucks can't tow and still expect to get any type of travel distance. Great, it has a 500 mile range, but when you're towing you're cut down to 100 miles. Then you're charging for 45-90 minutes to drive another 100 miles. It would take me 5 hours to get to Nashville when it normally takes 2.5. The Ramcharger/PHEV should have been the choice long before any all-EV truck that you expect to do truck things.
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Most people buying EV trucks aren't buying them to tow, usually, so that's probably not a big concern with the engineers. They are really desiofor the urban guy using it as a commuter that still wants a truck.
 
HSKR R/T said:
Most people buying EV trucks aren't buying them to tow, usually, so that's probably not a big concern with the engineers. They are really desiofor the urban guy using it as a commuter that still wants a truck.
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I guess if you have the disposable income it's something to have. At least it's not a CyberTruck.
 
HSKR R/T said:
Most people buying EV trucks aren't buying them to tow, usually, so that's probably not a big concern with the engineers. They are really desiofor the urban guy using it as a commuter that still wants a truck.
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No argument from me on this. But how many of these buyers do you honestly think there are? Obviously there aren't enough of them judging by the amount of money Ford and Chevy are losing on EV truck sales. Urban guys wanting a truck for commuting who also want that truck to be electric seems like a pretty small part of the market, even if you include the urban gals wanting an electric truck for their commute.
 
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