Full audio upgrade and sound treatment

[Alter Ego Trip]

This is my 7th Ram after a small hiatus to an SRT Jeep. Currently sitting on about 300 miles on the odo when I rolled her into the garage and started the tear down. I have a pretty busy schedule so this will be a couple week project, but I'll try and document what I can along the way for anyone else who wants to go down the rabbit hole.

Treatment:
1 layer of Second Skin Damplifier Pro on floor and back wall, stuffing all open orifices with insulation (pillars holding seat belts), 1 layer of SS mass loaded vinyl (trying for as close to 100% coverage as possible or else it defeats the purpose) on floor and back wall. SS sludge on fender wells and MLV adhered to fender liners, 1 layer of Resonix CLD on outer/inner door skin with CCF on inner door panel and black hole tiles in door

Audio:

Speakers:
SI TM8's in doors, Gladen PP80 in OEM dash location, Gladen PP28 glassed into sails, AF GB12 for sub underseat (I will be building a 1.5net ported enclosure tuned to 32hz for under seat).
Amps:
Audison 5.1k for tweeter/midrange/sub, Audison Due for midbass
Processor:
Helix DSP3
Source:
12" and Topping D10s

OK, here we go.

That was a lot more work than I remember in the past lol. Each new iteration creates more headaches due to more wiring, and odd mounting implementations.

There are some small areas where the factory tossed some dampening tiles, but they do almost nothing. Rapping on the floor creates an audible ringing. The front seat risers are going to get filled with closed cell foam. That is a large cavity that can resonate pretty easily.


I absolutely despise the Torque system. I wish they hadn't forced everyone's hand with that. Rats nest of wiring and extra crap that do literally nothing. I'm going to try and pull the batteries away from the wall enough to get some CLD and MLV behind it. If the MLV isn't solid, it is a complete waste of time and money.


Trying to stuff some extra wires through for the midbass is going to be challenging. I'd prefer not to run the 18 gauge OEM wires for a couple reasons, but we'll see how that works. I have 200' of OFC 16 gauge I would like to use to wire the entire system. I prefer to separate everything from the OEM wiring whenever possible. Easier to troubleshoot issues that may arise (ground hum, etc.).

Fitting an 8" midbass will also present some interesting challenges. The tolerances come down to mm's. The speaker mount will have to be cut up a bit with the baffle placed perfectly to keep the door panel from hitting the driver or baffle. I'll probably end up removing the speaker grille to ensure I have it aligned perfectly before finalizing.

This modular carrier assembly is also a major PITA. What a crappy design. I love having to disassemble everything down to even the door handle, to remove the assembly for access to the outer skin.

 

[Rock Crawler]

That’s a lot of work. Been there, done that twice. I had a Dodge Durango that I removed the entire interior and covered the ceiling, floor, walls and door panels with DynaMat. Did the same thing with a 2006 Ram 2500 CTD Mega Cab that I had after the Durango. Made a big difference in noise and sound quality. Looking forward to your progress.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Every new truck I swear I'm leaving it stock.

Cld on floor done.


Planning out best layout for mlv. This is the most important part so want to get it right.

 

[Rock Crawler]

Every new truck I swear I'm leaving it stock.

……………….. said every guy on the planet with a modified truck.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

As promised, not a lot of pics lol. Almost done with sound treatment. Back wall has layer of mlv as well. I stuffed boxes in floor with safe and sound as well as the rear pillars (that's a huge cavity). I used damplifier pro on floor and switched to resonix for doors and it's definitely a better product. 1 full layer on both front door outer skins, with butyl on top and bottom of impact beam (in typical ram qc, the beam wasn't even attached to door in multiple places, so the door was resonating against the beam itself), with black hole tiles on top, and closed cell foam on inner skin. You can see just how little treatment is on the stock door in the first pic. There was a OEM CLD at the bottom of the door that was literally 1/2 attached and hanging off. It was like this on 3 of the 4 doors. You can knock on the OEM door and it literally sounds like a drum. Major difference afterward.

I ran low so rear doors just got a couple sheets of resonix on outer skin and closed cell foam on inner. I also managed to pull new wires to the front door speakers. I didn't snap a pic, but there is a perfect slot on top and bottom of center plug input on door connector. Getting that removed and reinstalled was a friggin nightmare. I don't think you could get much larger than 16ga through there without some serious effort.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Doors were a little stressful. Drilled through grille brackets to remove grille from door to verify alignment. Not a lot of room for error when trying to drill out grille mounts. Mocked up an HDPE bracket that combined the factory 6x9 mounting location and new 8" driver. I then mounted it in where I felt the best spot would be and marked out the cuts in the factory door mount. Driver fits and only a little glassing will be required. I managed to keep the mounting surface to the right of the driver intact, and will only need to glass the left side of the driver at the widest part. I could have moved driver up about another 3/8" higher (bottom is really close) but I really wanted to keep the original mounting points for strength. This template hits all four of the original mounting points. I was a little worried the 1/2" HDPE would be too thick, but I surprisingly can still clear the door panel with driver installed, so the 1/2" HDPE will provide a pretty rigid mount for the driver. I just need to cut away the solid OEM grille surround and remount the OEM grille.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Floor. Seam tape covered with duct tape (seam tape alone can be crackly).

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Well the doors are close to going back together. After test fit number 1,000,000, I think everything will clear as needed. I wasted about an hr of my life the other night, drilling out the grille in the wrong door panel lol. That's what I get from pulling all nighters.

I would have liked to have made brand new cutouts based off the template, but I ran out of HDPE and am ready to get the door back together at this point. They work just fine, they just aren't OCD approved lol.

I was going to glass the door area, but decided against it due to how often I trade in my vehicles. I also wanted an option to swap to a different driver should I get a wild hair, so I tried to keep from making any permanent modifications. Obviously I can't uncut the door panel, but even if putting the truck back to stock, I can cut a new 6x9 template and she'll cover everything up just fine, with no ill effects to the new owner.

I mocked up some pieces to flank the driver cutout area. This will serve to reinforce the area with no support, while also sealing the driver to the door area.

Well, I found something PL premium will not stick to. Even after sanding and drilling small holes, HDPE is impervious to glue. I mocked up some guide pin holes and screwed the two pieces together.


I cut out the grille to avoid contacting the driver surround. There is enough clearance in all directions, that no contact is possible.


With the factory grille back on, you'd never be the wiser.


Playing around with a few different amp rack options. It's a tight squeeze with the surfboard Audisons.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Well 1 step forward, 5 steps back. After CCF on plate and driver and wrapping cone, I attempted to snap door panel back together. Well, the additional 1/4 inch or so of final movement threw a monkey wrench in the whole thing. The speaker now contacts the grille at about the 10 o clock position. I removed CCF but still not enough room. Gonna take it back apart for the millionth time and router a 1/4" groove in the hdpe. Hopefully that will get me the clearance I need. My fear now is the basket won't fit inside the door. It really is a matter of mm's you have to work with.



I was also super happy to find a big ol paint sagger in my lower door. I have yet to get a ram without some QC issue.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Slowly putting things back together. Had to completely redo the adapter plates I made to get things to clear door once snapped back together. I moved from 1/2" to 1/4", and it provided just enough room to add CCF between speaker/plate/door, and still clear grille when reassembled (I think lol).

I finished covering the final back of the truck in MLV and cut out the amp rack. I originally was going to mount amps next to each other, between the cab and e torque battery, but it puts the amp behind the center seatbelt and I don't want any chance of having an issue should there be an accident. I don't haul a ton of people, but I do assist with our church youth group, so not taking any chances. This really made for a tight squeeze, but I should just be able to get the amps to fit on top of each other, while barely clearing seat belt.

I disassembled the factory mid housing and cut away the internal surround. She was not made for a 3" plus mid.


I also decided to add some led strips to the doors seeing as they were already apart.




Finished adding CCF to the back of the trim panels.


I now need to turn to glassing a trim panel for the tweeter in the sails. I was going to fiberglass and wrap the whole panel but have since opted to add a panel on top. The design will match the mid speaker shape in the door to tie everything together.

 

[OCD Solutions]

I've done some nice installs in my day but nothing compared to this. Your attention to detail is amazing.

 

[Av1]

I like watching your progress. It's a big project, but the results will be amazing.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

I've done some nice installs in my day but nothing compared to this. Your attention to detail is amazing.

I like watching your progress. It's a big project, but the results will be amazing.

Thank you. I haven't posted a ton just cause you never know if anyone even cares about this stuff. Not a lot of people who do full audio installs in ram trucks, even on the audio forums.

Attention to detail has been a balancing act. It rarely gets super hot in MT and my timing is impeccable as it's been mid 90s for the past couple weeks. I can only take so much in the garage after a day at work, so I'm trying not to rush things, while also trying to avoid heat stroke.

The last big piece will be the sub box. I was originally going to do a seat lift, and ordered the lmi kit, but apparently something changed recently as it won't fit. The owner is working on it but I may just forego lift and go back to a shallow mount sub. The gb12 is a great sub but a pair of Audiomobiles may be in the cards.

 

[rick619]

Subscribing, nice work! Started searching threads to see if I want to tackle installing an amp myself. Looking for simple ideas I might be able to re-produce. This would be the exact opposite of what I have in mind haha. There doesn't appear to be any duct tape in your setup.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Subscribing, nice work! Started searching threads to see if I want to tackle installing an amp myself. Looking for simple ideas I might be able to re-produce. This would be the exact opposite of what I have in mind haha. There doesn't appear to be any duct tape in your setup.

You didn't look hard enough. I actually do have duct tape, it's on top of the seam tape lol.

 

[Rock Crawler]

Just a heads up, don’t seal up your cab vents on the back wall. I did that with my Ram 2500 when I installed DynaMat throughout the entire cab and I had to go back in and uncover them. It actually sealed up the cab so much, it made it difficult to close the doors. They are also designed to aid in proper air flow.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Yeah, I had planned on cutting some slits in the mlv before installing seat. I did that once before as well lol. I'm going to place another layer of ccf over the whole panel as well.

 

[Rdiersing]

Thank you for posting full interior gutted pics. I’ve been searching for these

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Not a lot to show. I've been out of town on business a bit lately, so finally getting back to trying to finish this up. Anyone looking at adding the LMI seat lift in the future; you will have to modify the back wall as the t slots apparently have been changed from previous years. I drilled a new hole and fished the bolt in from the back side (that took some thinking to figure out the best way to get this in from the back without dropping down inside the rear wall). below the original T stot







I've also changed direction on my amp rack, after getting it finished up and ready to install lol. This is another SQ build, and now that I'm moving forward with the seat lift, I'm content with running a single ported GB12. I normally run sealed, but seeing as I'm now using 8's in the doors, instead of 6.5's; the upper end roll off will be easier to mate up at a 60hz xover. I can DSP out the cabin gain and have a low distortion setup that gains an additional 3db's+ in most areas over sealed. I'm OK giving up a bit of the subsonic information; I won't miss too much with the music I listen to.

I will now be integrating the amps into the under seat sub box. I can juuuust squeeze the pair of Audisons in there and have just enough airspace to pull off a ported setup. This will make it easier to swap out gear as well (which I tend to do a lot), and provide for a really nice display when finished.

 

[Alter Ego Trip]

Rear wall covered in foam and finally reassembled.