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Supercharging the 5.7

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I agree, at least on most engine platforms. The older XJ/MJ Jeep 4.0 motors are a bit of an exception to a degree, hence the “typical” statement that followed my questions. I can’t exactly remember the reason why on these engines - I saved the info somewhere but would have to dig & find it to give you the exact reason. It could have also been relative to only the Eaton brand superchargers M62/M90 that they were modifying to work with it - but on that particular platform it is safer & more reliable to simply bolt on a supercharger kit once the engine is primed & avoid stroking. Main reason being is that you’d end up with the same power on the dyno while spending money needlessly & then running a stroker that was unpredictable. Obviously, there’s not much room or support for tuning on that platform in comparison to the modernized 4.0’s that we find in Wranglers. Could even just be a one off issue.

Still, I’m very interested in power numbers & times especially with just the simple bolt ons &/or minimal requirements while adding the supercharger without going the stroker route.

There’s a shop in Tampa on YouTube that somehow figured a way to twin turbo the 5.7 hemi, but they haven’t replied to the comments & stated power gains or times. Sounds like a cool build.
 

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I agree, at least on most engine platforms. The older XJ/MJ Jeep 4.0 motors are a bit of an exception to a degree, hence the “typical” statement that followed my questions. I can’t exactly remember the reason why on these engines - I saved the info somewhere but would have to dig & find it to give you the exact reason. It could have also been relative to only the Eaton brand superchargers M62/M90 that they were modifying to work with it - but on that particular platform it is safer & more reliable to simply bolt on a supercharger kit once the engine is primed & avoid stroking. Main reason being is that you’d end up with the same power on the dyno while spending money needlessly & then running a stroker that was unpredictable. Obviously, there’s not much room or support for tuning on that platform in comparison to the modernized 4.0’s that we find in Wranglers. Could even just be a one off issue.

Still, I’m very interested in power numbers & times especially with just the simple bolt ons &/or minimal requirements while adding the supercharger without going the stroker route.

There’s a shop in Tampa on YouTube that somehow figured a way to twin turbo the 5.7 hemi, but they haven’t replied to the comments & stated power gains or times. Sounds like a cool build.
I unfortunately haven’t ran a 60 mph or quarter mile test. Maybe I’ll try to get the dragy thing and try that.
 

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What's the point of adding 1/2 gallon of jet fuel? And when you say jet fuel, do you mean like JP-8?
It's an 82 octain fuel used in smaller aircrafts. The ingition or combustion point is lower. Faster ingnition cleaner sparkplugs and injectors i only do it once every 2 months its basically like adding high octane booster to your truck. At a fraction of the cost. It improves hp tq levels and all together maintains a clean engine. No it is not like running diesel. Diesel is an oil based fuel. jet fuel evaporates before it hits the ground. Nothimg remotely close to running diesel .
 

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That price isn't in US dollars. Cost here is $8,900.00. I already installed a smaller pulley on it since I have a built motor.
Is it the same for a 2019 5th gen ram 1500? Been looking around but most whipple kits are for the 4th gen and the one i did find was like 14k for some reason.
 

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It's an 82 octain fuel used in smaller aircrafts. The ingition or combustion point is lower. Faster ingnition cleaner sparkplugs and injectors i only do it once every 2 months its basically like adding high octane booster to your truck. At a fraction of the cost. It improves hp tq levels and all together maintains a clean engine. No it is not like running diesel. Diesel is an oil based fuel. jet fuel evaporates before it hits the ground. Nothimg remotely close to running diesel .

You have no idea what you are talking about. Jet fuel is kerosene and it's very oily and it does not evaporate before it hits the ground.
 

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It's an 82 octain fuel used in smaller aircrafts. The ingition or combustion point is lower. Faster ingnition cleaner sparkplugs and injectors i only do it once every 2 months its basically like adding high octane booster to your truck. At a fraction of the cost. It improves hp tq levels and all together maintains a clean engine. No it is not like running diesel. Diesel is an oil based fuel. jet fuel evaporates before it hits the ground. Nothimg remotely close to running diesel .
Actual jet fuel is not 82 octane, and doesn't evaporate before it hits the ground. Not sure exactly what type of fuel you are actually talking about.
 

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Actual jet fuel is not 82 octane, and doesn't evaporate before it hits the ground. Not sure exactly what type of fuel you are actually talking about.

100LL is the most common general aviation fuel available and it evaporates before it hits the ground.

Jet fuel has an octane rating of about 15 and you cannot run it in your truck, unless you have a diesel engine.
 
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100LL is the most common general aviation fuel available and it evaporates before it hits the ground.

Jet fuel has an octane rating of about 15 and you cannot run it in your truck, unless you have a diesel engine.
100ll is not jet fuel and you will destroy a jet engine trying to run it
 

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Just a little blurb from Wiki;
Aviation fuels are petroleum-based fuels, or petroleum and synthetic fuel blends, used to power aircraft. They have more stringent requirements than fuels used for ground use, such as heating and road transport, and contain additives to enhance or maintain properties important to fuel performance or handling. They are kerosene-based (JP-8 and Jet A-1) for gas turbine-powered aircraft. Piston-engine aircraft use gasoline and those with diesel engines may use jet fuel (kerosene).[1] By 2012 all aircraft operated by the U.S. Air Force had been certified to use a 50-50 blend of kerosene and synthetic fuel derived from coal or natural gas as a way of stabilizing the cost of fuel.[2]

And another from Aerocorner.com;

What Affects the Type of Fuel Used in an Airplane?​

If you’re curious about what determines the type of fuel used by an airplane, the answer is simple: the fuel type is a direct result of the type of engine used in that plane. Simply put, commercial and fighter planes tend to use kerosene-based fuel, but certain products are usually added to the fuel. This includes antifreeze, hydrocarbons, metal deactivators, and antioxidants, all of which prevent corrosion and freezing at higher altitudes, to name a few.

Although there are blends and mixtures of airplane fuel, it all begins with three basic types, and they are described below.

Kerosene-Based Aircraft Fuels​

Kerosene-based fuel for airplanes is usually broken down into various types, according to physical qualities and certain specifications. These types include:

  • Jet A:
    Only available in the United States, Jet A fuel was developed to be heavy, with a higher flash point and higher freezing point than standard kerosene. This fuel has low vapor pressure and a flash point that is roughly 110ᵒ Fahrenheit.
  • Jet A1:
    Most turbine-engine aircraft use this type of fuel. It has a flash point of 100ᵒ Fahrenheit and a maximum freeze point of -52ᵒ Fahrenheit. It is an easy fuel to find if you’re located outside of the United States.
  • Jet B:
    Also called wide-cut fuel because it is a combination of kerosene and gasoline, it is used mostly in areas that experience very cold weather, in part because its freezing point is around -76ᵒ Fahrenheit. Its vapor pressure is somewhere between that of gasoline and kerosene.
Airplane being refueled by Shell Tanker
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Military-Based Fuels​

There are eight different types of military-based airplane fuel, as described below.


  • JP-1:
    This fuel is pure kerosene and has a freezing point of -76ᵒ Fahrenheit. Even though it was efficient fuel, it was soon replaced by other types of wide-cut jet fuel, including fuels made from kerosene-naphtha and a kerosene-gasoline mixture.
  • JP-2 and JP-3:
    JP-2 was originally developed to replace JP-1 fuel and was rarely used. JP-2 fuel had a high freezing point, but was eventually replaced by JP-3, which was more volatile and was supposed to improve the former. However, because both of these fuels had high vapor loss and were unstable, neither are being used today.
  • JP-4:
    This type of fuel is flammable and transparent, with a clear or straw color and a smell similar to kerosene. In addition, the JP-4 fuel floated on water and easily evaporated. It had such a low flash point (0ᵒ Fahrenheit) that a match dropped in it would not ignite, and its maximum water temperature was 6,670ᵒ Fahrenheit.
  • JP-5:
    The JP-5 fuel is yellow in color and contains ingredients such as hydrocarbons, naphthenes, alkenes, and aromatic hydrocarbons. It has a high flash point of 140ᵒ Fahrenheit and a freeze point of -51ᵒ Fahrenheit, and it contains no antistatic agents.
  • JP-6:
    This fuel was developed specifically for the General Electric YJ 93 Jet Engine associated with the XB-70 Valkyrie Supersonic Aircraft, a high-altitude bomber plane. It was similar to the JP-5 fuel except its freeze point was -65ᵒ Fahrenheit. It also had better thermal oxidative stability than the JP-5.
  • JP-7:
    This fuel copes well with the heat and stress associated with high-speed supersonic flights, in part because of its high flash point. It was specifically developed for the twin Pratt & Whitney J58 Turbojet/Ramjet engines of the SR-71 Blackbird.
  • JP-8:
    The JP-8 fuel is similar to the A1 fuel utilized by many commercial airlines, and it has been widely used by the U.S. military. Ingredients were added to it for corrosion barrier and anti-icing purposes, and it has a freezing point of -52ᵒ Fahrenheit, as well as a flash point of 100ᵒ Fahrenheit.
 

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100ll is not jet fuel and you will destroy a jet engine trying to run it

I have over 15,000 hours flying jet aircraft and 3,000 in piston powered aircraft. I know 100LL is not jet fuel, but I don't think he does. Some jet engines have an exception to run on 100LL, but only for a limited amount of hours.
 

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Evaporation: jet fuel will evaporate. When jettisoning, the accepted norm is to be above 5,000 feet to allow it to evaporate before ground contact.

Now, what will it do to a turbo/super-charged hemi? THAT is a question that I cannot answer. ;)
 

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Evaporation: jet fuel will evaporate. When jettisoning, the accepted norm is to be above 5,000 feet to allow it to evaporate before ground contact.

Now, what will it do to a turbo/super-charged hemi? THAT is a question that I cannot answer. ;)

Boeing acknowledges that even though the fuel is vaporized, it is still suspended in the atmosphere and will eventually reach the ground.
 

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It's an 82 octain fuel used in smaller aircrafts. The ingition or combustion point is lower. Faster ingnition cleaner sparkplugs and injectors i only do it once every 2 months its basically like adding high octane booster to your truck. At a fraction of the cost. It improves hp tq levels and all together maintains a clean engine. No it is not like running diesel. Diesel is an oil based fuel. jet fuel evaporates before it hits the ground. Nothimg remotely close to running diesel .

I’m actually at a loss for words
 
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Im only running an unlocked pcm with trinity 2 tuner with a hemifever 93 octane tune i and half gallon of jet fuel. And a borla attack exhaust im doing 12.8 was my best so far on 4high running it on 2wd its a 13.2 1/4 mile im also running stock tires so no grip basically

I'd love to see a pic of your time slip. I think you typed 12.8 in error and maybe meant 13.8.

Motortrend says a 19 Rebel weighs 5,600# and does a quarter in 15.71 @ 92.97
On a stock motor that is rated at 395bhp.

Using an online calculator, you're looking at needing 700bhp to hit 12.8 coming from the stats above.
 

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Well this got off onto a very interesting tangent…

I guess there’s a lot of aviation peeps on here lol, I did a 7 hour trip today in the GA world today just to log onto my Forum account and see more aviation stuff??🤣

Anyways… why the hell would you run a “82” octane on a 93 octane tune??? Are you Trying to make the motor knock??
 

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Well this got off onto a very interesting tangent…

I guess there’s a lot of aviation peeps on here lol, I did a 7 hour trip today in the GA world today just to log onto my Forum account and see more aviation stuff??🤣

Anyways… why the hell would you run a “82” octane on a 93 octane tune??? Are you Trying to make the motor knock??

It almost makes as much sense as running a 1/2 gallon of Jet A through his Hemi. 🤣
 

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ok so it sounds like we have a few owners with the ProCharger and at least one with the TVS2650 (not sure if thats on a RAM 5.7 or not).

so what is the general consensus on them? seems none are cracking 500rwhp. what other supporting mods are needed.
 

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ok so it sounds like we have a few owners with the ProCharger and at least one with the TVS2650 (not sure if thats on a RAM 5.7 or not).

so what is the general consensus on them? seems none are cracking 500rwhp. what other supporting mods are needed.
There’s not a ton of things you can add without going crazy and doing major modifications to the engine, but some quick ideas would be a nice set of headers and maybe water-meth injection.
 

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ok so it sounds like we have a few owners with the ProCharger and at least one with the TVS2650 (not sure if thats on a RAM 5.7 or not).

so what is the general consensus on them? seems none are cracking 500rwhp. what other supporting mods are needed.
You will absolutely have to open your engine up and forge to be able to run enough boost to get to 500 rwhp and not risk blowing up your engine…
 

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