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Anyone here do a DIY brake change on the 5thgen yet? I noticed that the service manual calls for replacing the bolts that fasten the caliper to the knuckle if they are removed.

Have others followed this step? And do you think the average brake shop would take this step?
 

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Anyone here do a DIY brake change on the 5thgen yet? I noticed that the service manual calls for replacing the bolts that fasten the caliper to the knuckle if they are removed.

Have others followed this step? And do you think the average brake shop would take this step?
No, every manufacturer recommends you do this , I’ve had my calipers off my z06 at least 15+ times with the same bolts , never had an issue . When reinstalling just torque back to spec and you should be fine
 

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Anyone here do a DIY brake change on the 5thgen yet? I noticed that the service manual calls for replacing the bolts that fasten the caliper to the knuckle if they are removed.

Have others followed this step? And do you think the average brake shop would take this step?
It's probably good practice, but I've never known any shop that will replace the caliber bolts as a routine step. If you were doing your fourth or fifth caliber removal, then it might be good idea.

Be advised that if you're doing rears you should disconnect the battery. If the e-brake gets initialized the motors will run to its limit and I've been told it's a very hard process to get them back into home position.

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Anyone here do a DIY brake change on the 5thgen yet? I noticed that the service manual calls for replacing the bolts that fasten the caliper to the knuckle if they are removed.

Have others followed this step? And do you think the average brake shop would take this step?
Have been wondering the same thing and interesting that I can not find one vid on youtube for 5th gen brake job. Surely someone with a 19 has had to replace pads or rotors?
 

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Have been wondering the same thing and interesting that I can not find one vid on youtube for 5th gen brake job. Surely someone with a 19 has had to replace pads or rotors?
Based on what I see here there probably aren't any over 50K yet. I'm at 45K and I still have a lot of pad left.

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at 28,000 and brakes still feel like new. I will be doing my own though when the time comes. Thanks for that tip Dusty, probably would have forgot that since I've never had a veh with electric e-brake.
 

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Anyone here do a DIY brake change on the 5thgen yet? I noticed that the service manual calls for replacing the bolts that fasten the caliper to the knuckle if they are removed.

Have others followed this step? And do you think the average brake shop would take this step?
This is a CYA issue. Technically the bolts are going to get stretched a little bit every time you torque them down, but we are talking miniscule stuff here. Those bolts have to withstand a shear load and I would be shocked if the torque stretch compromises the shear strength anywhere near limits. In any case, I've done more brake jobs than I could even dream of counting and have never replaced a caliper bolt. As @Dusty1948 said above, if you were having the same caliper on and off many multiple times, you might think about it, but just in the course of common brake jobs? I wouldn't, I doubt virtually any brake place would, and I would be surprised if the dealer did either unless the bolts were 50 bucks each or they could add an hour of labor to do it.
 

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Have been wondering the same thing and interesting that I can not find one vid on youtube for 5th gen brake job. Surely someone with a 19 has had to replace pads or rotors?
Just did it today and reused the original bolts although put a dab of threadlocker on them. All else very similar to the videos you can see for 4th gen rams- however the clips are different- but pretty easy to figure out. My biggest problem was getting the rotor off. Also our 5gens have a rotor retainer screw that you have to remove which it seems the previous gen didnt have Got that off and the rotors were still rusted hard on! Ended up getting it off using a smaller diameter bolt going through the bolt hole that the caliper retainer normally uses. Washer and nut in between the knuckle and the rotor then turn it with the impact wrench.
 

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Just did it today and reused the original bolts although put a dab of threadlocker on them. All else very similar to the videos you can see for 4th gen rams- however the clips are different- but pretty easy to figure out. My biggest problem was getting the rotor off. Also our 5gens have a rotor retainer screw that you have to remove which it seems the previous gen didnt have Got that off and the rotors were still rusted hard on! Ended up getting it off using a smaller diameter bolt going through the bolt hole that the caliper retainer normally uses. Washer and nut in between the knuckle and the rotor then turn it with the impact wrench.
oh those stupid retaining screws...just like Honda uses. The only purpose they serve is to aid in assembly on the factory line. Those suck sometimes to get off. I wind up grabbing a cutoff wheel usually. lol
 

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Just did it today and reused the original bolts although put a dab of threadlocker on them. All else very similar to the videos you can see for 4th gen rams- however the clips are different- but pretty easy to figure out. My biggest problem was getting the rotor off. Also our 5gens have a rotor retainer screw that you have to remove which it seems the previous gen didnt have Got that off and the rotors were still rusted hard on! Ended up getting it off using a smaller diameter bolt going through the bolt hole that the caliper retainer normally uses. Washer and nut in between the knuckle and the rotor then turn it with the impact wrench.
How many miles on the brakes? Front or rears?

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oh those stupid retaining screws...just like Honda uses. The only purpose they serve is to aid in assembly on the factory line. Those suck sometimes to get off. I wind up grabbing a cutoff wheel usually. lol
Yep, I usually end up drilling them suckers out then never putting any back in, no need for them👍
 
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How many miles on the brakes? Front or rears?

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Its a '19 with 36,000 mi. Just did the fronts though. There was about 4mm of pad left but I was getting some ugly vibration under hard braking. Probably will hit the rears when I switch back to the all season tires in spring.
 

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Yep, I usually end up drilling them suckers out then never putting any back in, no need 👍
yeah.....no kidding! one came out easy. The other stripped very quickly and without even much force. Very cheap piece of hardware. I had to use the cutoff wheel as well to make a slot to turn with a flathead - still it was stuck. Then I took a 3/8 inch rachet extension, put it on the screw head and whacked it with a hammer a few times. Then came out no problem.
 

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Its a '19 with 36,000 mi. Just did the fronts though. There was about 4mm of pad left but I was getting some ugly vibration under hard braking. Probably will hit the rears when I switch back to the all season tires in spring.
Did you do the rotors too?
 

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In case anyone is curious, bolts are noted to be replaced when they're Torque To Yield (TTY) https://www.counterman.com/torque-t...theyre-used-and-why-they-need-to-be-replaced/

That being said, no, I would bet money your average brake shop wouldn't even think about replacing them.
I've been around professional vehicle repair for sometime and I can't say I ever witnessed anyone replacing the caliper bolts at servicing. As far as that goes, I'm not remembering anyone using a torque wrench on them, other than me.

Caliper mounting bolts is probably an area that can get away without replacing them. But I know a fellow who wishes he replaced the connecting rod bolts on his so-called "built" 5.3 motor!

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It's probably good practice, but I've never known any shop that will replace the caliber bolts as a routine step. If you were doing your fourth or fifth caliber removal, then it might be good idea.

Be advised that if you're doing rears you should disconnect the battery. If the e-brake gets initialized the motors will run to its limit and I've been told it's a very hard process to get them back into home position.

Best regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33 gallon fuel tank, factory dual exhaust, 18” wheels. Build date: 03 June 2018. Now at: 045044 miles.
I was messing around in Uconnnect settings the other day and there is a setting for brake service that will "retract the parking breaks to all brake system service" perhaps this is an alternative to disconnecting the battery?
 

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I was messing around in Uconnnect settings the other day and there is a setting for brake service that will "retract the parking breaks to all brake system service" perhaps this is an alternative to disconnecting the battery?
I think it is. The service manual instructs to use the technicians diagnostic tool, but I'm guessing it's the same thing in the Uconnect.

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Update - just did the back pads and rotors at 39k miles. My pads were down to nothing - one was less than a mm away from metal. Actually couldn't find new hardware (spring and clips) anywhere so cleaned and reused what I had. Few notes:
-Electronic parking brake retractor works like a champ. On a $120,000 BMW you have to hook up a computer to retract. I love RAM has a box to click in the menu. Easey peasey.
-May be normal on trucks but both back brakes have a parking brake on them. Still plenty of room to work.
-After having a really tough time with the rotor retaining screw on the fronts - I gave these a hard bang with a socket extender and a hammer....came out easy. Make sure to do this first as the retaining screw is cheap and will easily strip.
-Rotors were super rusted on (truck gets a lot of miles and a lot of road salt and not enough washes) and it doesn't seem like RAM applies any anti seize before installing them. Popped them off by using a nut/bolt washer through the lower caliper mounting bolt hole. Hold the nut with a wrench and turn the bolt with my impact wrench and boom. Pops right off. If you do this - make sure you have a few bolts...when I went to reuse the one I used for the first rotor - the bolt snapped! video where I got the idea here:
 

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