Clayton Offroad 2.5" Jeep Gladiator Springs on 2020 Rebel

[User_21361]

TDLR: The Clayton offroad 2.5 lift springs DO fit a 2020 Rebel

What I tried to accomplish: I recently added Fox 2.5 shocks in the front and rear. The ORP/Rebel shocks give 1" in the back, but the Fox coilovers allow for me to go to 3" inches in the front. This means I needed an extra inch in the rear. Also, the rear shocks are OK for 0-2" of lift.

What I got: The shocks fit beautifully. The ride on street is great (and wife approved)!

Measurements:




Spring Comparison.

The springs:

Jeep Gladiator 2.5" Triple Rate Rear Coil Springs 2020+, JT

Jeep Gladiator JT 2020+ triple rate coils provide the perfect balance between on and offroad handling, ride quality, offroad flex and weight carrying ability. Triple Rate Free Length = 21.500" +/-.25 Spring Rate 1 = 159 lbs/in Spring Rate 2 = 280 lbs/in Spring Rate 3 = 360 lbs/in Powder Coated...

www.claytonoffroad.com

The install: The process was exceptionally smooth. The drivers side was significantly more challenging than the passenger side. I think this was due to a few factors. First, I started on the drivers side which meant I was learning as I went. Second, Since the springs were an extra 1.5" longer than stock, getting the axle down that far was challenging. After disconnecting the sway bar, I started to hit what I thought was a mount. I later realized after a lot of stress, that It was actually hitting the skid plate. I took out one bolt on the skid plate and wedged a small piece of wood in there to lower it and I was off to the races.

Pro tip: To push the rotor down and get the spring seated, I used my forearm for pressure while pushing the spring. This hurt like hell. I decided to put a set of knee pads I use for home projects around my elbows/forearms and use them to push. It worked like a charm and saved my forearms.

Only potential issue: The lift was a little more than I hoped for. Now I have about 1.5" higher than my stock rebel or 2.5" over a stock, non rebel. My concern is for my new shocks. Does anyone have input on if pushing them past the 2" range will damage them in the long run? I plan to call Fox on Monday to A) see if I can get a longer shaft or B) run them without concern. I don't plan to adjust the fronts until I figure out if the rear is ok.

 

[Ram1500rsm]

Didn't realize from other thread you were asking about the rear shocks
Do you have measurements of your stock rear shocks extended and compressed lenght ?

From your other thread you're runing Fox 2.5 883-26-079
Those are 25.6" extended

Extended	25.650
Compressed	16.850

At ride height, measure your shock from the stem bushing in your case to the lower bolt eyelet. Similar to how you'll measure your coilovers as i posted in your other thread.

That measurement should not be 25.5" for example because that'll mean your shocks are literally fully extended at ride height. you want around 1-2" or more to keep a compliant ride.
Clayton 2.5" coils can run up to 30" maybe 30.5" extended shocks. so you have room for longer legs if you wanted/needed them.

 

[Ram1500rsm]

Also do you have pictures of how your rear trackbar angle looks like before/after the clayton springs ?

 

[User_21361]

Also do you have pictures of how your rear trackbar angle looks like before/after the clayton springs ?

Here you Go:

Before (These are old, I took no pics on install day):


After:

 

[Ram1500rsm]

Awseome, Ty. So this the level with the panhard and your stock ORP springs ?

Can you do me a favor and snap one more pic similar to this to check how the panhard angle looks like after lift ? Carli offers a panhard relocation bracket for the 4th gen RAM but didn't address that on the 5th gen because they say is not needed in your application since in theory the angle is better when stock. I want to see what's different about the new truck rear panhard.

Funny stuff is that the Carli springs in the 4th gen will barey lift the rear, they advertise their coils for 1/2" more lift in the back but the couple of people who have installed them said they didn't get any lift, some say 1/4" more if any, which more likely will settle down overtime to factory height. and that's without any weight in the bed whatsoever. Their spring rates in those coils are softer than stock so they wouldn't be good for expedtion/overlander tasks which is how i have setup my truck more or less to perform. the bracket is set to drop the panhard 1-1.5" more or less. i'm aware the flatter that bar the better but in my case that angle will go down once i put more weight which happens when i take the family out for outdoor camping,vacation etc, i load up about 800lbs more or so, don't have any complaints otherwise with a little angle up in the panhard.

I don't have the Carli panhard bracket. I bought it though but i've had couple of bad experiences with brackets that mount to the frame in previous Jeep applications and honestly the Carli one didn't inspired me very much so i just sold it. I even thought of having it welded in for max strenght, but the dude that did my exhaust muffler welded a little bracket to hold the pipes behind the aftermarkt muffler i have, and i would have had to mess up with that before trying to install the bracket, then drive to the muffler shop to have it welded. too much damn work and i'm lazy to install someting i haven't needed in 2 years

This is how mine looks like with the Clayton springs.

20201005_110206 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

 

[Techguy2000]

It looks like the 5th gen bracket on the driver side is taller. On ORP springs I'm getting 6.25 inches from the top of the sway bar to the bottom of the panhard bar, as measured closest to the driver side panhard bracket.

 

[User_21361]

Here is another angle. My trackbar is pretty close to parallel with the ground. Honestly, the only think I need to replace now is my rear sway bar links. Everything else looks good to my untrained eye.

Anyone have suggestions on sway bar links? I've been looking at core 4x4, I just have to figure out which length to get as they don't have an adjustable version.

 

[Ram1500rsm]

It looks like the 5th gen bracket on the driver side is taller. On ORP springs I'm getting 6.25 inches from the top of the sway bar to the bottom of the panhard bar, as measured closest to the driver side panhard bracket.

That's where i'll put a panhard relocation bracket if we had one for just 2" lift. On the axel side. That's why i haven't/didn't cared much for the Carli bracket. Glad to see how FCA addressed that in the new trucks. Thanks again for the pics. I'm learning a lot about the 5th gen suspension

Here is another angle. My trackbar is pretty close to parallel with the ground. Honestly, the only think I need to replace now is my rear sway bar links. Everything else looks good to my untrained eye.

Anyone have suggestions on sway bar links? I've been looking at core 4x4, I just have to figure out which length to get as they don't have an adjustable version.

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What's the measurement eye to eye from your Rebel rear links?

 

[User_21361]

The links are 11" eye to eye. I just have to figure out how that translates to core's website as they sell them as stock, stock+1 etc.

My understanding is that I want the sway bar to be parallel to the ground so I likely need another 2".

 

[Techguy2000]

The mopar 2in lift kit uses a spacer for the rear and includes a track bar relocation bracket, do you think this would be a worthwhile add on? Included page from the install sheet.

As for sway bar a lot of people like the hellwig for lifted rear which has longer links with it. I had the stock swaybar for my 2019 and no complaints.

 

[User_21361]

If the goal is to be parallel, I don't think I'm going to touch it. I measured from the track bar to the sway bar on both sides. Driver: 8" and Passenger: 8.25"

 

[Ram1500rsm]

The links are 11" eye to eye. I just have to figure out how that translates to core's website as they sell them as stock, stock+1 etc.

My understanding is that I want the sway bar to be parallel to the ground so I likely need another 2".

I'll let you know when I get home. I don't remember my stock length but I went 1" longer with the Icon coils, and then 2" longer when I did the Clayton's. I'm running the core +2 links.

 

[Ram1500rsm]

Verified my stock links were 11 1/4, Core +2 are 13 1/4"

 

[User_21361]

New links and adjustable trackbar on order for good measure.

 

[Techguy2000]

I got the Gladiator 2.5in lift coils from Clayton in 2 days via fedex. I will mention somehow when I checked out on the site via PayPal they said I didnt give a final confirmation, even though the money got sent, so for a few days I was waiting for an order confirmation until I called in and sorted that out.

Installed the springs today and got about an inch over my ORP springs, and threw on my 285/75R18 falken wildpeak at3w's (adds another inch to height from the 33in michelin defenders I have on laramie chrome 20s). I am very happy with the look and currently my rake is ~0.75in which looks level to me so while I'd like to use the full 3in lift in the front it wouldnt work out.

 

[Techguy2000]

I wanted to add a thank you to both of you seribralcrow and ram1500rsm, I wouldnt have been able to figure this out with your input.

I ordered a Hellwig swaybar for 2-4in lifted 5th gens but it's on backorder for a month, so I'll update after that for sure (added picture of how my links look). I'm fine with the panhard bar angle, so while I was going to order the relocation bracket from the 2in mopar lift I will keep it stock for now (parts were backordered until December anyway).

 

[User_21361]

I wanted to add a thank you to both of you seribralcrow and ram1500rsm, I wouldnt have been able to figure this out with your input.

I ordered a Hellwig swaybar for 2-4in lifted 5th gens but it's on backorder for a month, so I'll update after that for sure (added picture of how my links look). I'm fine with the panhard bar angle, so while I was going to order the relocation bracket from the 2in mopar lift I will keep it stock for now (parts were backordered until December anyway).

Sweet! Glad it worked out for you. Let me know the Mopar part # when you get to ordering it. I may consider down the road.

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[Techguy2000]

I actually ordered what would be needed but since the main bracket was on backorder I cancelled the order this week. Attached is the screenshot, I had ordered it all from BAM fyi.

 

[Ram1500rsm]

I got the Gladiator 2.5in lift coils from Clayton in 2 days via fedex. I will mention somehow when I checked out on the site via PayPal they said I didnt give a final confirmation, even though the money got sent, so for a few days I was waiting for an order confirmation until I called in and sorted that out.

Installed the springs today and got about an inch over my ORP springs, and threw on my 285/75R18 falken wildpeak at3w's (adds another inch to height from the 33in michelin defenders I have on laramie chrome 20s). I am very happy with the look and currently my rake is ~0.75in which looks level to me so while I'd like to use the full 3in lift in the front it wouldnt work out.

Glad to know they worked out for you as well. Mine still measure out the same as a few months ago when i installed them. I have about 450lbs of extra weight in the back of my truck and they haven't sagged. Best coil springs i've ran in my truck so far. Clayton also have a 3.5" coils same thing we have but 1 extra inch longer if needed.

Also as a bonus if you guys happen to be able to run the same rear control arms and rear trackbar we have in the 4th gen 1500's, the Gladiator version of them do fit like a glove in our trucks. FCA shared the 4th gen 1500 rear control arms and trackbar with the Gladiator so i literally just tapped into pure gold with Clayton , the bushings can take the factoy 190 lbs/ft as it uses the same torque in the Jeeps, compared to our stock rear control arms this things are just pure freaking beef. Both of the stock lowers weight less than one Clayton lower... Lol Stockers are weak sauce. This are the overland + version with Giro bushings. My truck weights 6200lbs and i can rest the weight of the truck in the lowers without any issues.

2020-05-02_06-24-53 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

 

[mk2019ORP]

I got the Gladiator 2.5in lift coils from Clayton in 2 days via fedex. I will mention somehow when I checked out on the site via PayPal they said I didnt give a final confirmation, even though the money got sent, so for a few days I was waiting for an order confirmation until I called in and sorted that out.

Installed the springs today and got about an inch over my ORP springs, and threw on my 285/75R18 falken wildpeak at3w's (adds another inch to height from the 33in michelin defenders I have on laramie chrome 20s). I am very happy with the look and currently my rake is ~0.75in which looks level to me so while I'd like to use the full 3in lift in the front it wouldnt work out.

I am extremely interested in your final setup! I have a 2019 Laramie with ORP and am seriously looking at the Fox 2.5’s. My concern is I have an ARE topper and decked drawer system which dropped the rear and don’t want to end up nose high. Do you have any photos from the side showing the final outcome? Your measurements were greatly helpful. Thanks in advance!