Lifter tick on cold start

[silver billet]

I have only had the tick on 3 occasions. Once on my 2013 when I had the oil changed at a quick lube place (cheap oil filter used) changed the filter immediately and no more tick. Other times were when I started the truck, moved it and shut it right back off. The next time started it ticked. Have never done that since, and have not had it tick again. I also now run Redline 5W30 oil

Is 5w30 safe for very cold winters?

 

[Firebird]

Is 5w30 safe for very cold winters?

I live in Florida, so we really don't have winter. However, 5W30 is still not very thick oil, so I would imagine it would still be ok?

 

[silver64]

I highly doubt this is what it is due to these being new vehicles, but I had a 2011 that broke the exhaust manifold bolts on the passenger bank. A very common issue when the vehicles get some miles on them. I also had another Ram at work have an identical problem. When I took the vehicle in for service and just a general repair shop they swore it was lifters because the noise would go away after about 5-10 second. They didn't take into account the swelling due to the heating. Not saying this is the issue by any means but might be something to check if you go through all the issues with oil and filters and no resolution is found.

Apparently broken manifold bolts are a known issue with the 5.7. The service tech told me that is one if the number one issues they have with the engines.

 

[67Woody]

Apparently broken manifold bolts are a known issue with the 5.7. The service tech told me that is one if the number one issues they have with the engines.

That is what I have been told. Mine broke right at the interface between the block and exhaust manifold. Therefore when inspected by the first general repair shop they missed this, they swore it was a lifter. When I took the truck to the local Dodge dealer they caught it right away. Got rid of a ticking noise that I was concerned was a lifter on the passenger bank. It acted like a lifer in that after started the tick went away very quickly, 5-10 seconds after starting, just like a lifter pumping up after starting. I had also thought I noticed when the oil was changed that the tick seemed to go away....which made me suspect it was a oil/lifter issue....but then your memory can play tricks on you when trying to diagnose a serious issue like this. When bolts were replaced Dodge installed hardened bolts that are not supposed to shear off, why they just don't install them from the start is unknown. I don't know if this change has been made with the 5th gen models but was still an issue in 4th gen models. Maybe worth a check. My employer had purchased 5 Rams over 3 years.....3 of the 5 had this issue occur.

 

[mootspoints]

I’m late to this discussion, but have a ‘19 Longhorn with extremely bad lifter noise on startup randomly. I’ve collected several videos which I’ll post shortly. Dealer “can not replicate problem”. I changed the oil early at somewhere around 2500 miles using a K&N filter and AmsOil based on feedback from this forum, but it yielded no improvement. Sent several videos to the Chrysler care tech and the dealer service manager. The tech at the dealer said right away, “yep, that’s bad lifters”, but the rep at Chrysler has instructed the dealer to “install no new parts”.

Aside from this I’ve had several other apparently unreconcilable problems with this truck including an insanely loud “teapot noise” when driving at highway speed in wind. Dealer tech reproduced that problem briefly, but said they wouldn’t know how to fix the problem. Sent notes to Chrysler. I expect to hear nothing. 3rd dealer visit to resolve problems. I think I’m going to have to try another dealer and be without a truck even longer.

This is my second new Ram vehicle, the first being a Mega Cab 2500 Cummins a couple years ago that shed a transmission and left me stranded in the first 2000 miles without ever having towed anything but it’s own weight, then sat at a dealership while Chrysler tried to push a rebuilt transmission on me.

 

[silver64]

I’m late to this discussion, but have a ‘19 Longhorn with extremely bad lifter noise on startup randomly. I’ve collected several videos which I’ll post shortly. Dealer “can not replicate problem”. I changed the oil early at somewhere around 2500 miles using a K&N filter and AmsOil based on feedback from this forum, but it yielded no improvement. Sent several videos to the Chrysler care tech and the dealer service manager. The tech at the dealer said right away, “yep, that’s bad lifters”, but the rep at Chrysler has instructed the dealer to “install no new parts”.

Aside from this I’ve had several other apparently unreconcilable problems with this truck including an insanely loud “teapot noise” when driving at highway speed in wind. Dealer tech reproduced that problem briefly, but said they wouldn’t know how to fix the problem. Sent notes to Chrysler. I expect to hear nothing. 3rd dealer visit to resolve problems. I think I’m going to have to try another dealer and be without a truck even longer.

This is my second new Ram vehicle, the first being a Mega Cab 2500 Cummins a couple years ago that shed a transmission and left me stranded in the first 2000 miles without ever having towed anything but it’s own weight, then sat at a dealership while Chrysler tried to push a rebuilt transmission on me.

Just out of curiosity do you park your truck overnight on an incline?

 

[mootspoints]

Just out of curiosity do you park your truck overnight on an incline?

No, and it’s not only overnight. Sometimes just a couple hours.

 

[silver64]

Does anyone know if there is a process to have a non dealer mechanic look at an issue like this and then once the results are in force FCS to pay for their denial of service on the now proven defect? In this case identify what was out of spec and what caused the issue and either provide a report or replace the parts.

 

[WCollins]

Hi all I'm new to the site.
I have a 5th Gen with the 5.7 , 209 miles on it, and I just started it after it sat for 24 hours. When it started the lifters clattered for about 5 seconds then stopped ( no doubt when it built a little oil pressure). I am more than a little apprehensive about this as a Larime I test drove at the dealership had a lifter tick that never stopped, I had to cancel the test drive and drove another truck. The salesman heard it also, but didn't say anything about it being an ongoing problem. Is anyone else experiencing this?
I've also noticed an intermittent clunk in the rear end as the truck is shifted in to Drive from Park, and when decelerating. This is a 4WD so I expected a little more gear slop than a 2WD, but the noise is excessive for a brand new vehicle. has anyone else heard this noise?
Honestly I have bought nothing but Japanese cars and trucks since 2000 because of their outstanding reliability. I went with the Mopar as it had excellent reviews (including Consumer Reports reliability history), great styling, and I really like the '19 rework. BUT... not to happy with these developments in a brand new truck. Any feedback welcomed.

With only 370 mile my 2020 Limited has developed a startup metallic chatter and tick for over a minute in this video. Not sure if it’s the same noise or something different...not happy;0(

 

[RamCares]

With only 370 mile my 2020 Limited has developed a startup metallic chatter and tick for over a minute in this video. Not sure if it’s the same noise or something different...not happy;0(

Hi @WCollins - Have you had a chance to address this with your selling dealer? I would be happy to learn additional details of your situation to determine how to best assist you at this point. Our team is always just a private message away.

Mark
RamCares

 

[Krootz]

With only 370 mile my 2020 Limited has developed a startup metallic chatter and tick for over a minute in this video. Not sure if it’s the same noise or something different...not happy;0(

I just changed my oil and filter at 2K miles because of this. I had some experienced RAM owners tell me that the Mopar oil filter allows oil to drain into the pan completely after it sits. They recommended Mobile 1, K&N, and Wix filters because the drain back valves in those filters work very well. I just put Mobile 1 full synthetic and a Wix XP filter in mine in the hopes that it eliminates the clatter/knocking/ticking at startup.

If I remember, I’ll post my findings in a week or so to see if the noises are still there at cold start.

 

[HoosierTrooper]

I just changed my oil and filter at 2K miles because of this. I had some experienced RAM owners tell me that the Mopar oil filter allows oil to drain into the pan completely after it sits. They recommended Mobile 1, K&N, and Wix filters because the drain back valves in those filters work very well. I just put Mobile 1 full synthetic and a Wix XP filter in mine in the hopes that it eliminates the clatter/knocking/ticking at startup.

If I remember, I’ll post my findings in a week or so to see if the noises are still there at cold start.

These experienced RAM owners are incorrect if they're saying that the anti drain back valves (ADBV) in all Mopar filters don't work as designed. It makes no sense that they would send out hundreds of thousand or even millions of oil filters a year on new vehicles or as part of oil changes either at dealerships or DIYers that have faulty ADBV's. One of the potential problem areas with lower end oil filters like the Mopar is that the ADBV is made out of nitrile rubber which can get hard and stiff after prolonged exposure to heat which could cause them to not seal properly. They can also get stiff in extreme cold and not seal properly. Higher end filters like the FRAM Ultra, WIX XP, K&N and others use silicone ADBV's that remain soft and flexible and do what they're supposed to do, which is keep oil in the filter after the engine is shut off.

I only use FRAM Ultra oil filters on my vehicles, would happily use a WIX XP if the Ultra wasn't available. They both use synthetic media that is less restrictive and provides better filtration than the cellulose media in the Mopar and other lower end filters. They both also have wire backing on the media for strength and of course the silicone ADBV. Unless someone just wants to stick with OEM parts I really don't see a reason to choose the Mopar filter over the much better alternatives.

Also, as a side note, the Mobil (no e) 1 oil is a very good product but it is not certified to meet Chrysler MS-6395, if that matters to you.

 

[Blueraptor]

Hi @WCollins - Have you had a chance to address this with your selling dealer? I would be happy to learn additional details of your situation to determine how to best assist you at this point. Our team is always just a private message away.

Mark
RamCares

My truck sounds exactly like that and has since i got it last May. I had it at the dealer and they looked at and told me it was normal. I didn't agree and talked to someone from the ram customer service about it who did nothing other than tell me to take it to the dealer which I had already done. I gave up, I'm probably just going back to Ford when the warranty is up on this truck. I will miss my Ram but my experience with Ford service is so much better and I never had near the issues with a new vehicle that I have had with this Ram. It is a nice truck, but the issues and the terrible service at FCA dealerships really bring down your overall ownership experience.

 

[392DCGC]

I’m late to this discussion, but have a ‘19 Longhorn with extremely bad lifter noise on startup randomly. I’ve collected several videos which I’ll post shortly. Dealer “can not replicate problem”. I changed the oil early at somewhere around 2500 miles using a K&N filter and AmsOil based on feedback from this forum, but it yielded no improvement. Sent several videos to the Chrysler care tech and the dealer service manager. The tech at the dealer said right away, “yep, that’s bad lifters”, but the rep at Chrysler has instructed the dealer to “install no new parts”.

Aside from this I’ve had several other apparently unreconcilable problems with this truck including an insanely loud “teapot noise” when driving at highway speed in wind. Dealer tech reproduced that problem briefly, but said they wouldn’t know how to fix the problem. Sent notes to Chrysler. I expect to hear nothing. 3rd dealer visit to resolve problems. I think I’m going to have to try another dealer and be without a truck even longer.

This is my second new Ram vehicle, the first being a Mega Cab 2500 Cummins a couple years ago that shed a transmission and left me stranded in the first 2000 miles without ever having towed anything but it’s own weight, then sat at a dealership while Chrysler tried to push a rebuilt transmission on me.

As someone who has owned 3 2019 1500's and 2 2020 1500's, that noise is "normal" in the sense that all trucks have it. I had numerous vehicles with 5.7's (not 1500's) and never heard a tick this bad at startup though - they were typically noisier at idle, whereas the trucks seems quieter.

With only 370 mile my 2020 Limited has developed a startup metallic chatter and tick for over a minute in this video. Not sure if it’s the same noise or something different...not happy;0(

That noise is not normal and sounds like an exhaust manifold bolt broke or there is a leak that gets sealed once the exhaust heats up.

 

[c0mbatVet]

I had a 2014 Ram 5.7 that developed the tick a few months in to ownership. It was resolved after my first oil change. I then had a 2017 that developed the tick about a year and a half into ownership. Brought it to a dealer who told me it was normal, but it was definitely bad and made the truck sound like a clunker. I did some searching and found out about the exhaust manifold bolts and began thinking that might be the issue. Brought it to a different dealer for an oil change and to check on the tick and they told me they could not replicate the problem. Sure enough it went away after the oil change.

 

[Slumlord]

I have a 20' and it made the tick noise at start-up for around the first 300 miles, then it just stopped doing it. Now it's quiet every time I start it. I haven't changed the oil either as the truck only has 1200 miles on it.

 

[RamCares]

My truck sounds exactly like that and has since i got it last May. I had it at the dealer and they looked at and told me it was normal. I didn't agree and talked to someone from the ram customer service about it who did nothing other than tell me to take it to the dealer which I had already done. I gave up, I'm probably just going back to Ford when the warranty is up on this truck. I will miss my Ram but my experience with Ford service is so much better and I never had near the issues with a new vehicle that I have had with this Ram. It is a nice truck, but the issues and the terrible service at FCA dealerships really bring down your overall ownership experience.

I am incredibly sorry for the trouble, @Blueraptor. If you would be willing to follow up with me via private message to provide additional details of your situation, I would be more than happy to learn more to determine how to best assist you at this point.

I have a 20' and it made the tick noise at start-up for around the first 300 miles, then it just stopped doing it. Now it's quiet every time I start it. I haven't changed the oil either as the truck only has 1200 miles on it.

Please do not hesitate to reach out if you are ever in need of any support down the road, @Slumlord!

Mark
RamCares

 

[JTMachineDesign]

Mine has that rattle sound when it starts. Usually when I start in the morning, or after it has sat for an hour or so in really hot weather (it often gets over 110 where I live) I'm about to take it in for it's 3rd oil change (16K miles). I had been taking it to the dealer since it's walking distance from where I work. I've been taking my trucks to Jiffy Lube for the last 20 years with not one single problem though.. I think I'll try it this time just to see if there's any change in that 2-3 second start up rattle.
FWIW, my wife's Grand Cherokee had it when new also, and still did it when we sold it at 240K miles, but would still haul butt. No smoke, no leaks. only problem we ever had was the exhaust manifold on one side developed a crack. 240K miles with it never letting us down was one reason I upgraded to the 1500/Hemi after driving Dakotas (which also never let me down) #Mopar4Me

 

[Scram1500]

For those with the start-up noises/rattles, when starting try removing your foot from the brake pedal when the engine begins to turn over. Mine made an awful racket but has stopped completely since I started this procedure

 

[eyeguy]

Since these filters face up how would the oil drain out of them into the pan? I hear talk about the anti drain valve but in this orientation that doesnt make sense to me.