Twin-Turbo 3.0-liter (Hurricane) Inline-Six-Cylinder (H.O.) Engine - Specifications!

[djevox]

Maaan it's not for me.
Small displacement gas turbos in a fullsize truck isn't my format.

I gotta say I'm very concerned for the Stellantis brands.
No hemi in the charger/challenger?
The charger is one thing but if there's no V8 in the challenger platform, yikes.

I don't know if they understand that the "old"/"heavy" challenger platform basically exists on the back of horsepower and tradition.
The guys, the rebels who buy those cars are holdouts.
They are not a Ford Taurus SHO buyer, they're not a Tesla buyer.
If forced to buy a new car in the future, I honestly believe they're more likely to go to a Ford Mustang with a V8 in that platform, than they are to buy an E-VEE or i6 turbo challenger.

I have my concerns. I know in 2022 a lot of people aren't "car people", and the subarus and the toyota going to an ecoboost-style and all that I know I know.
In terms of the *Dodge challenger* buyer, I really believe those guys are the hold outs, and if the corporate knuckleheads at Stellantis really believe THOSE people in the market will simply buy it because it says Dodge, they are, IMHO dramatically over-estimating their brand loyalty.


A brand is a promise. A promise that the maker has to live up to, a 2 way street.
If they stop living up to that promise, the buyer's loyalty goes with it.

TLDR: Netherlands based Euro-company doesn't understand (or care about?) one of the buyers of its products, is slated to make VERY risky move

That’s pretty much how I felt when Mitsubishi said they were going to make the Evolution a hybrid. They ended up just killing it, but I still felt betrayed. I loved my ‘08 Evolution.

 

[Rebel2022]

I don’t think its been said anywhere that the Hemi is going away, sure the i6 might be optional in the Ram, Challenger, Charger etc but the Hemi will still be there same as the 5.0 in the Mustang and F150 even though the EB is also available. In fact Ford is bringing back a V8 option in the new Raptor R F150.

 

[djevox]

I don’t think its been said anywhere that the Hemi is going away, sure the i6 might be optional in the Ram, Challenger, Charger etc but the Hemi will still be there same as the 5.0 in the Mustang and F150 even though the EB is also available. In fact Ford is bringing back a V8 option in the new Raptor R F150.

I hope a version of that v8 goes into the regular raptor one day.

 

[Reverse]

The thing that most concerns me is the Direct Injection. Plenty of history on how that will result in carbon buildup on your valves which are no longer 'cleaned' by fuel. Most tips on how to prevent the carbon buildup involve much more regular maintenance than you'd do on a hemi (or current V-6)

 

[2jzDave]

Maaan it's not for me.
Small displacement gas turbos in a fullsize truck isn't my format.

I gotta say I'm very concerned for the Stellantis brands.
No hemi in the charger/challenger?
The charger is one thing but if there's no V8 in the challenger platform, yikes.

I don't know if they understand that the "old"/"heavy" challenger platform basically exists on the back of horsepower and tradition.
The guys, the rebels who buy those cars are holdouts.
They are not a Ford Taurus SHO buyer, they're not a Tesla buyer.
If forced to buy a new car in the future, I honestly believe they're more likely to go to a Ford Mustang with a V8 in that platform, than they are to buy an E-VEE or i6 turbo challenger.

I have my concerns. I know in 2022 a lot of people aren't "car people", and the subarus and the toyota going to an ecoboost-style and all that I know I know.
In terms of the *Dodge challenger* buyer, I really believe those guys are the hold outs, and if the corporate knuckleheads at Stellantis really believe THOSE people in the market will simply buy it because it says Dodge, they are, IMHO dramatically over-estimating their brand loyalty.


A brand is a promise. A promise that the maker has to live up to, a 2 way street.
If they stop living up to that promise, the buyer's loyalty goes with it.

TLDR: Netherlands based Euro-company doesn't understand (or care about?) one of the buyers of its products, is slated to make VERY risky move

I'm glad they are still coming out with a new gas engine in a sea of electric. Unfortunately it's all government regulations that is pushing the i6. The mpg is not much different than what you'd see from the hemi in these bigger vehicles, but the big difference is how much cleaner the i6 is emissions-wise which allows them to continue production of these large vehicles while still meeting the very strict emissions requirements.

 

[SD Rebel]

Yup, very true, not that much better mpg, but the difference in hp and especially torque is quite significant, even compared to the Standard Output 3.0L motor.

My only real issue is the sound and the long-term durability versus a naturally aspirated V8.

I thought these motors would spearhead the all-new next gen Charger/Challenger, but I recently read they are going full EV.

 

[2jzDave]

I thought these motors would spearhead the all-new next gen Charger/Challenger, but I recently read they are going full

Don't believe everything you read on the internet

 

[SD Rebel]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet

So, what's the truth, can you share with the class

Should I considering buying a Charger now before they go EV, or will I still be able to get an ICE motor one in the future on a new platform.

 

[Biga]

Stalantis getting rid of the V8 in the Challanger/Charger is like Gerber saying they are going to stop making baby food. LOL

 

[2jzDave]

So, what's the truth, can you share with the class

Should I considering buying a Charger now before they go EV, or will I still be able to get an ICE motor one in the future on a new platform.

I wish I could share with the class, but unfortunately my secrets pay the bills

 

[SD Rebel]

I wish I could share with the class, but unfortunately my secrets pay the bills

Gotcha, wait and see where they go with this.

 

[ChadT]

You have to remember that Dodge and Ram have been under European ownership since 2014. (FCA). Everyone was terrified that it would be the end of iconic American performance but some of the best muscle cars jeeps and trucks were developed since that merger. The world is a changing place, and dodge can't just stuff hellcats in the same cars for ever and expect to succeed. I for one am hopeful about the future of the company. They are not jumping on the all electric bandwagon, and these new motors should be a great way to keep gas burners alive. Can't wait to see this new motor in the Ram 1500 and hopefully a gladiator mojave.

Sergio Marchionne, I wonder what heights he could have taken those companies too if he was still alive.
The products he brought to market during his time, brought me to the Ram brand.
IMHO we got the hellcats and the like because he and the company DID understand their buyers.
The Hellcats and V8s aren't going away because consumers don't want them.
Oh no. It's not a consumer demand thing.
They're going because of government regulations.

We're going to save the planet by using coal to power lithium, and by drilling oil somewhere else for more money, and by paying higher taxes and driving more expensive vehicles. Stunning and Brave.

I think a 3.0L engine as a CHOICE for consumers is neat for those who want them.
I think the Gladiator is a fantastic platform for that engine - my goodness that would probably be my choice! (...unless a 5.7L Truck hemi was available of course).
But a No V8 challenger?

 

[ChadT]

Don't believe everything you read on the internet

 

[Rick3478]

I'm still hung on the aluminum cylinders. Anyone starting a pool? Put me down for junk at 60K.

 

[HSKR R/T]

I'm still hung on the aluminum cylinders. Anyone starting a pool? Put me down for junk at 60K.

Aluminum block, with basically 3d printed steel cylinders

 

[SpeedyV]

Aluminum block, with basically 3d printed steel cylinders

Yeah…Corvettes went aluminum in what…the 1960s? What’s the issue here again?

 

[Wire4money]

Aluminum block, with basically 3d printed steel cylinders

They are plasma sprayed liners. This is not an untested process. Seadoo uses them in their 300hp 1.5l 3 cylinders, and they get more abuse than a car. Constant 500-8000 rpm bursts, as well as sustained WOT for miles.

 

[HSKR R/T]

They are plasma sprayed liners. This is not an untested process. Seadoo uses them in their 300hp 1.5l 3 cylinders, and they get more abuse than a car. Constant 500-8000 rpm bursts, as well as sustained WOT for miles.

Yeah, which is basically 3d printing in more layman's terms

 

[SpeedyV]

They are plasma sprayed liners. This is not an untested process. Seadoo uses them in their 300hp 1.5l 3 cylinders, and they get more abuse than a car. Constant 500-8000 rpm bursts, as well as sustained WOT for miles.

What a great application!

Also used in Nissan Skylines (GT-Rs), Cosworth engines, validated in NASCAR applications, etc.

I see Ford won an award way back in 2009 for inventing the process as a means for rescuing blocks that would otherwise be bored beyond useful life.

The tech seems to have really taken off recently…lots of testing and research.

Still, @HSKR R/T isn’t wrong; this is similar to 3D printing. The support material just happens to be an existing cylinder wall.

 

[Rick3478]

So the company that can't fix their cracking exhaust manifolds now thinks they can bond dissimilar metals together inside the engine? Should we now expect cracking cylinder walls?