19Jake
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UPDATE: FWIW, I was subsequently interested in separating out the effects on ride quality of the air suspension and the 22 inch wheels, so last Thursday I went back and drove the only truck the dealer had with 22's and standard coil suspension - it was a Laramie sport with the sport 22's that came with the Black Appearance Package. Admittedly some time has passed since my original post. My conclusion from this experiment continues to surprise me - the 22's don't negatively impact the ride as much as the air suspension does. I'd say it's 75% the air suspension. From experience with German cars, I would have never predicted it.
I'm really glad about this thread. Up here in Canada, you start adding Ram Box, Pano, A/S and eTorque and you're $80k rig easily crosses deep into the $90ks. But let me come back to the specific topic of A/S as to me etorque seems like a scam (if you want good fuel economy go by a Jetta). Now for the past 20 years I too have driven German sports cars and they are great, don't get me wrong. But two things: size and way, way to tightly sprung. As you get older, you want comfort which is a function of the vehicle's size and a "Creamy" "floatier" ride quality. In other words I DO NOT want feel every single minor imperfection in the road...and I certainly don't want to be jostled by really big pot holes. A/S I think has the illusion of offering a "floatier" ride because it has the word "Air" in it's description. Then you get into the Canada factor: the factor being it's cold up here for months at a time. And yeah may-be they re designed the A/S but if repeat if it fails you're kind of screwed...kind of. I'll just say that the pano roof point I completely disagree with. To me, cruising down the road with the feeling of the roof being open but without the wind making noise and coming into the cabin on top of driving something that floats smoothly over the road, and happens to be just slightly smaller than most mountains...THATs my new definition of motoring perfection.That sounds right to me. Many reviewers say they're very close in ride quality.
If you didn't get snagged by the pano-roof gimmick you'd be batting 1,000
For me I saw the over abundance of tech was FOR SURE a gimmick just aimed at driving up the price. Whenever I see "adaptive cruise" I'm like great...something many cars have had for 25 but that cost an arm and a leg, and comes with a camera that will break in a few years and cause stupid check engine lights. NO THANKS. Cameras and sensors to help me park this beast is one thing...a cruise control "scam" that's another.What about that touch screen gimmick or adaptive cruise gimmick? Lol.
Totally appreciate this post as the ONLY reason why I'd tick A/S on mine. I work downtown but own properties up north and for the most part this rig could tow TWO of the heaviest thing I own so leveling and squat aren't issues because if I ever actually had to order something that weighed 10,000+ pounds I'd just get it delivered. But yeah, being able to "tuck" underground parking spots and then raise for outside parking and spread out the automatic boards to prevent dings...this is bordering on "I would delete silly stuff like etorque and the multifunction tailgate and Rambox just to get A/S".While air suspension wasn’t my first choice I’ve really grown to appreciate it. I haven’t towed yet but as others have mentioned, it affords the truck to have either multiple personalities or many strengths. Weekend: I raise up to climb forest service roads and climb hills like a goat, and during the week I can drop it to entry mode in parking garages if I have a meeting downtown. I share the same height of what seems to be my wife’s Grand Cherokee. I should measure it. It sure corners flat too.
To me this screen isn't a "gimmick". So reason why I say that is size. Again coming from tiny German cars to something this big...I think you need the 12 incher because the smaller variations of the screen look almost ridiculously small in this cabin. So again to me 12 inch is just so nicely done and integrated.
So just to be clear you're saying that as far as the "creamy" "softer" ride quality goes...that be the coils then?UPDATE: FWIW, I was subsequently interested in separating out the effects on ride quality of the air suspension and the 22 inch wheels, so last Thursday I went back and drove the only truck the dealer had with 22's and standard coil suspension - it was a Laramie sport with the sport 22's that came with the Black Appearance Package. Admittedly some time has passed since my original post. My conclusion from this experiment continues to surprise me - the 22's don't negatively impact the ride as much as the air suspension does. I'd say it's 75% the air suspension. From experience with German cars, I would have never predicted it.
From my experience I would say yes. On the 5thgens the ride on the coils is more supple than on the air. I've softened my air ride up a bit by adding weight ( topper, boards, etc) and going with 18 inch wheels. If you load it up too much though it gets bouncy.So just to be clear you're saying that as far as the "creamy" "softer" ride quality goes...that be the coils then?
Yes. It's counter intuitive, because everyone assumes the air suspension must be softer, which in commercial trucks it always is because the competitors are leaf springs or parabolics. To some it's anathema to suggest otherwise but test the Ram 1500 back to back for yourself. I did a lot of back to backs, and they are very close but the coils are slightly softer. Afterwards, I went back through many Ram 1500 DT launch presentations online, and the Ram spokespeople are always careful not to say air suspension improved ride. They always frame it as height and level management.So just to be clear you're saying that as far as the "creamy" "softer" ride quality goes...that be the coils then?
Driving experience I would think is the combination of ride and handling. My commute is over a gnarly 4-lane mountain road that is a giant slalom of sorts where beamers and teslas rule, but in my mind at least with my airsprung ram in ground hugging aero mode I've got the inside track on the F150s at least on those high speed hairpin turns.I’ve driven both 2021 standard and air suspension on identical spec ecodiesels. Almost identical driving experience