Ram, please give us the 6.4!

[silver billet]

They just put the 6.4/392 into the Jeep Wrangler of all things. I'm happy for them, but I would love to have the 6.4 in my 5th gen too. Why do they keep us out of all the fun? 470 HP and 470 lb/ft of torque would be a great option to have for guys like me who want a nicer towing experience without going all heavy duty.

 

[antwon412]

Count me in! That in my Rebel would be great.
Make it the Ram Rebel SRT!

 

[iLikeTurtles]

I would appreciate an srt8 ram

 

[silver billet]

It doesn't even have to be SRT labeled for me, just the same truck with a bigger motor.

 

[Caballonegro]

I was saying that all summer, especially if they are doing that “LOWDOWN” version, that SRT motor would put it in the performance truck segment and it would
Give us the option of more power for towing!

 

[Rammit]

I totally agree. It would be easy to do and make a huge difference.

 

[19ORG]

I always figured that if the 1500 got the 6.4, it’d be the one from the 2500 (410 hp/429 lb-ft). That being said, a SRT trim/option would be pretty sweet

 

[silver billet]

I always figured that if the 1500 got the 6.4, it’d be the one from the 2500 (410 hp/429 lb-ft). That being said, a SRT trim/option would be pretty sweet

I'm assuming it's the same engine, just tuned differently. In the 2500 it would be tuned for durability and keeping heat down for towing etc.

 

[PorBoy]

I wantzs lol..

 

[devildodge]

I'm assuming it's the same engine, just tuned differently. In the 2500 it would be tuned for durability and keeping heat down for towing etc.

Two totally different engines.

The 6.4l BGE in the HeavyDuty is a Big Gas Engine built for a truck.

The SRT 6.4l is built for a car.

 

[silver billet]

Two totally different engines.

The 6.4l BGE in the HeavyDuty is a Big Gas Engine built for a truck.

The SRT 6.4l is built for a car.

Interesting, so much for my assumptions. Since the 1500 is more suv than truck, guess I'd request the srt version then lol.

 

[devildodge]

The 6.4l BGE and the SRT 6.4 are exactly like the 8.0l V10 Magnum and 8.0l Viper V10.

2 totally different engines for 2 totally different purposes.

If the 1500 got the SRT...the towing would possibly go up some. But the engine would have to be tuned different. The Jeep didn't have to worry about this because it only has a 3500lb tow rating.

If the 1500 got the BGE...towing might actually go down as it is heavy and a 1500 is payload limited for towing

But the street truck that have teased. The SRT 6.4l would work for it as designed.

 

[SD Rebel]

That's what I would want in my TRX, I want all that exterior/interior and suspension goodness in the TRX, but maybe a more mild motor. 702 hp is great, but 470 hp would be perfect for me.

As for a regular 1500 like my Rebel, I think the 6.4L in the Power Wagon would be fine as an optional motor. However, FCA is having issues meeting their corporate CAFE numbers, installing a 6.4L in a high volume truck is probably something they don't want to do.

The 6.4L in the Jeep is meant to be lower production, likely $70,000 plus Jeep in typical configuration. So the volume won't hurt their CAFE numbers too much in that case. That's why I don't think we are likely to see a mainstream 6.4L in the 1500 anytime soon. Maybe in a low production SRT version of the TRX or something else above the Rebel, but not a regular option.

 

[19ORG]

CAFE is something that I hadn’t considered at all! That’s a fascinating idea that a 6.4 1500 might sell well enough that it’d actually hurt them despite being profitable.

 

[SD Rebel]

CAFE is something that I hadn’t considered at all! That’s a fascinating idea that a 6.4 1500 might sell well enough that it’d actually hurt them despite being profitable.

I was told that was the primary reason why they went with a 6.4L in the Wrangler instead of just a 5.7L at a lower price point. They don't want too much volume, they already spend millions buying carbon credits from Tesla. FCA likes to make "halo" vehicles that sell at a higher price/lower volume to help move dealership traffic and sell the regular stuff. Look what that strategy has done for the ancient Challenger & Charger.

 

[Burnzie]

I always figured that if the 1500 got the 6.4, it’d be the one from the 2500 (410 hp/429 lb-ft). That being said, a SRT trim/option would be pretty sweet

That's all it's rated at 410 Hp.It's 485 Hp in the Challenger and Charger and only 410 in a truck? I understand different exhaust and all but a 75 Hp loss? May as well stay with the 5.7 Hemi,15 more Hp isn't worth the worse gas mileage in my opinion.

 

[devildodge]

That's all it's rated at 410 Hp.It's 485 Hp in the Challenger and Charger and only 410 in a truck? I understand different exhaust and all but a 75 Hp loss? May as well stay with the 5.7 Hemi,15 more Hp isn't worth the worse gas mileage in my opinion.

It is a totally different engine in a completely different duty cycle.

The 485hp challenger only has to move say 6000lbs if you load it with adults.

The 410hp 3500 has to move 22000lbs.

The 6.4l BGE is designed to run at peak torque anf horsepower all day moving 22000lbs.

The 6.4l SRT is designed to run wide open a 1/4 mile at a time.

Look at the 2006 Dodge Ram SRT 10. The regular cab 6 speed manual. It has hardly any cargo capacity and a low tow rating. They had to bring the quad cab and automatic to get it to tow.

When you are building a main stream truck...you have to build it much different than a passenger car.

Now. When they release the street version of the TRX. You may see them get the 6.4L. But they suffer greatly in payload and towing.

Read the towing threads. And then imagine when they find out there high horsepower option has less ability

Good times.

 

[Burnzie]

Ok

 

[19ORG]

Yeah. The 2500 guys that I’ve talked to said low end torque is way better in the 6.4 and that’s probably why it’s the only gas engine offered anymore in the 3/4+ ton Rams in the US. I think that the take rate on the 5.7 fell off pretty quickly after they started offering the 6.4 in 2014.

 

[devildodge]

Yeah. The 2500 guys that I’ve talked to said low end torque is way better in the 6.4 and that’s probably why it’s the only gas engine offered anymore in the 3/4+ ton Rams in the US. I think that the take rate on the 5.7 fell off pretty quickly after they started offering the 6.4 in 2014.

The 5.7l Hemi could not hit the 10k GVWR. It topped at at 9K.

Also. The 5.7l Hemi that was used in the 2500 was a different duty cycle than the one used in the 1500. It actually has less Horse and torque than the 1500 version.

1500 was 395 and 410
2500 was 383 and 400

So 383 and 410 is a bigger jump and 400 to 429 is also.

But the duty cycle they are rated for is much different.

The BGE has alot of meat on the table. With the Ford 7.3l being released. You will see the BGE get a bump and may even see a 7+ liter RAM. Especially with the diesel emission scandals.