I love this great forum and thanks for everybody giving me information but my Ram experiment is over. I loved the Ram but it turned out not to be the vehicle for me now as a senior citizen. Not really me,but the wife was having difficulty getting in and out of it even though she had done that a few times at the lot before we purchased the Ram. Also, she recently had a neck problem and I could not contain myself from hearing the roar of the Ram and the hemi when I put the medal to the pedal at about every take off from a dead start and it was jerking her neck some. I didn't like the Ram as I did not get the Advanced Safety Group and I missed it more than I thought I would, but decided trading for another one now with it was not the best option for the wife or me as I love her and don't want to do anything to cause her pain. Anyhow just wanted to let you all know how much I enjoyed this great forum and will miss it. I purchased a 2019 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk with Luxury Group and Advanced Safety Group.. It is nice and I only got the small engine so maybe I won't be scaring and shaking her neck now. Yeah, a costly mistake but have to do what is best even if I did make a blunder again.. By the way--any Grand Cherokee owners in here or have had one in the past and can lead me to a good Jeep Grand Cherokee forum--would appreciate it.