Newbie Lifter - Bilstein question for 2" lift all around???

[RamLay]

OK, as many of you have experienced I'm sure, the sheer magnitude of searching on this site just confused me more...

In the simplest terms, will installing Billstein 5100s, using the 5th ring, give my 2019 4WD Crew Cab Laramie 2" of lift and do I need new UCAs?

Thanks in advance - I appreciate the forum!

RamLay

 

[NewLove]

Do you have off road package?


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[BowersFJ]

1.7” non-ORG …. 2” w/ORG


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[RamLay]

Doh, meant to advise it is not ORG.

So just by adding the Bilsteins, I get 1.7" of lift in the front and 2" in the back - and have as good or better than stock road ride?

 

[397STROKER]

1st, do you have the off road package? If so, you will get 2" lift up front over the already 1" lift of the ORP when using setting 5. This will equal 3" of lift over a stock non-ORP truck and even though Bilstein says you don't need UCA with there setup, I would probably get them for 3" over a stock truck. If you are stock non-ORP you will get 1.7" (on setting 5) over your current height up front and I would say you won't need UCAs.

 

[sd2134]

I installed Bilstein 5100's on my non-ORG Bighorn to level it. The front adjustable shocks are set to position 5, approximately 1.7" of lift. Since I do NOT have ORG and added less than 2" of lift, I kept the stock control arms. The rear shocks do not ad any lift, but will accommodate up to 2" of lift. To get the rear lift you will need other springs or a spring spacer. For example you could order ORG rear springs and get a 1" lift with the Bilstein's.

 

[NewLove]

I installed Bilstein 5100's on my non-ORG Bighorn to level it. The front adjustable shocks are set to position 5, approximately 1.7" of lift. Since I do NOT have ORG and added less than 2" of lift, I kept the stock control arms. The rear shocks do not ad any lift, but will accommodate up to 2" of lift. To get the rear lift you will need other springs or a spring spacer. For example you could order ORG rear springs and get a 1" lift with the Bilstein's.

I have ORG rear springs and my 5100’s at clip 5 up front. I’m having the dilemma when I’m loaded up the rear is squated a bit. I don’t know if I should go to a one inch spacer in the rear or change out the springs?


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[397STROKER]

I have ORG rear springs and my 5100’s at clip 5 up front. I’m having the dilemma when I’m loaded up the rear is squated a bit. I don’t know if I should go to a one inch spacer in the rear or change out the springs?


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A few options here. If you load up frequently you may want to look at heavier springs. You can just add a spacer and get additional lift in the rear, so when you load up it doesn't look like it is squating. Of course this will show as rake when not loaded. Another option would be something like icon springs which provide 1.5" of lift over a stock spring so .5" for you. These are duel rate springs that they claim ride like stock and when loaded add additional load capacity.

 

[BilletMotoRam]

Are ORP spring rate the same as NON ORP SPRINGS? I have non ORP & find the rear springs are very soft, it provides an excellent ride but very soft for towing my 4,000 lb trailer

 

[NewLove]

A few options here. If you load up frequently you may want to look at heavier springs. You can just add a spacer and get additional lift in the rear, so when you load up it doesn't look like it is squating. Of course this will show as rake when not loaded. Another option would be something like icon springs which provide 1.5" of lift over a stock spring so .5" for you. These are duel rate springs that they claim ride like stock and when loaded add additional load capacity.

Was thinking about the icon springs or the Bilstein ones.. 1.5”.. you’re correct it will only be .5” for me but I think that’s all I would need to prevent the squat.


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[397STROKER]

I have the Bilstein's and got 1.5" in the rear. I did the Bilstein 5100s up front on setting 4 and added the OR springs for 2.5 + a 1/2 " spacer on top for my 3" net. I have about an 1" rake. I like it. I am not sure if the rear Bilstein springs add any load capacity like the ICONs but they are dual rate.

 

[397STROKER]

Are ORP spring rate the same as NON ORP SPRINGS? I have non ORP & find the rear springs are very soft, it provides an excellent ride but very soft for towing my 4,000 lb trailer

I am not 100% sure on the rate. I have read that they are the same just longer, front and rear. I would hope the ORP springs would be a little stiffer.

 

[NewLove]

I have the Bilstein's and got 1.5" in the rear. I did the Bilstein 5100s up front on setting 4 and added the OR springs for 2.5 + a 1/2 " spacer on top for my 3" net. I have about an 1" rake. I like it. I am not sure if the rear Bilstein springs add any load capacity like the ICONs but they are dual rate.

Why not just go to ring 5 and ORP springs up front?.. no need for spacer then.


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[397STROKER]

Why not just go to ring 5 and ORP springs up front?.. no need for spacer then.


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Yeah, I don't like maxing things out. I have also read that the ride gets pretty harsh on 5 and backing down to 4 is a lot better, so I went with 4. I may still drop to 2.5" by going to setting 3. It rides pretty good but I have not put the new tires and wheels on it yet. Will see after I do that how it is.

 

[MikeyHo808]

North Edition with ORP. Bilstein’s recently installed at all corners, front set to ring 4. Went from an almost 2 inch rake to just around a half inch diff from front to back. Did so to avoid any issues with squatting or clunking in the front that some with the ORP have mentioned. Don’t tow much, just a loaded bed here and there, so I’m good.
Truck actually rides better than stock now. Good shocks, hopefully they’re in stock…I waited almost 6 months for the rears to come in. Good luck!

 

[BowersFJ]

North Edition with ORP. Bilstein’s recently installed at all corners, front set to ring 4. Went from an almost 2 inch rake to just around a half inch diff from front to back. Did so to avoid any issues with squatting or clunking in the front that some with the ORP have mentioned. Don’t tow much, just a loaded bed here and there, so I’m good.
Truck actually rides better than stock now. Good shocks, hopefully they’re in stock…I waited almost 6 months for the rears to come in. Good luck!

Fronts and rears on order at Summit …. Back ordered till 1st week of March


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[MikeyHo808]

Fronts and rears on order at Summit …. Back ordered till 1st week of March


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My local 4WP had the fronts when I ordered the set in May 2021. The rear shocks finally came in around mid-October, installed November. Popular shocks, evidently. They’re always on back order.

 

[Kordyte]

I installed Bilstein 5100s front and back this October. Ring #5 up front on non-ORG. Also added Motofab 1" spacer and Airlift 1000HD bags in rear. About 1500 miles on the setup and looks and drives great.

To the OP: I'd advise buying the UCAs from the Mopar lift kit. They are cheap and good insurance. I absolutely destroyed my original UCAs when separating them from the steering knuckle. Super tight.