looks like ram adjusted the tow rating for the 1500 trucks

[bigdodge]

just found out that the heavy duty rams lost a lot of tow ratings.
so I looked up my 1500
this one from when I took delivery in jan 2022


this one on the ram site in feb 2023


this video has more info

but ram is not saying anything


ram towing chart for vin here

Ram Towing | Find the Best Truck for Your Towing Needs

Find everything you need to know about Ram towing capacity, payload & more here. Discover the best Ram truck or van that fits your towing needs today.

www.ramtrucks.com

 

[Richard320]

 

[bigdodge]

fyi
not a big deal for me
thought readers would like to know
I don't really care
just posting as information

 

[Brutal_HO]

just found out that the heavy duty rams lost a lot of tow ratings.
so I looked up my 1500
this one from when I took delivery in jan 2022
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this one on the ram site in feb 2023
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this video has more info

but ram is not saying anything


ram towing chart for vin here

Ram Towing | Find the Best Truck for Your Towing Needs

Find everything you need to know about Ram towing capacity, payload & more here. Discover the best Ram truck or van that fits your towing needs today.

www.ramtrucks.com

Yet...

1.5 days to respond before publishing the video isn't exactly "not saying anything."

Best guess is the original numbers were incorrectly calculated.

Mostly affecting 2500 diesel trucks but mine went from 25017 to 23730.

Thing is, very few of these trucks could hit anywhere near the trailer tow ratings before running out of payload/GVWR. You just can't run that low pin weight (gooseneck/5th wheel) and get to those high trailer weights.

Additionally, those tow ratings are published based on SAE J2807 tests which are start/stop loads at grade and once you option up a truck, going to drop significantly due to max GCWR and/or available payload.

 

[PurpleRT]

It’ll be alright if your pushing it that close when 127lb is going to put you over, you’ve either need to pack less or need a bigger or lower optioned truck.


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[bigdodge]

It’ll be alright if your pushing it that close when 127lb is going to put you over, you’ve either need to pack less or need a bigger or lower optioned truck.


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like i said in post 3 i do not care

not a big deal for me
thought readers would like to know

 

[ayoslickxd]

like i said in post 3 i do not care

lol makes you feel better i lost about 1k lbs. of tow rating … i was able to max tow at 10.6k and now it says my max tow is 9600

 

[silver billet]

I haven't lost a thing... I use the pdf/chart from Ram for my trim/4x4/3.21. Then take the GCWR - curb weight and that's what I can tow (max). My personal limit for any half ton these days is 8000 anyway, but we won't go there.

The website has always had issues. One day it says one thing the next day it says another. I always use the pdf.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/ramtrucks/en_us/towing/Ram_LD_DT_Trailer_Tow_Weight_Chart_MY20.pdf

 

[bigdodge]

I haven't lost a thing... I use the pdf/chart from Ram for my trim/4x4/3.21. Then take the GCWR - curb weight and that's what I can tow (max). My personal limit for any half ton these days is 8000 anyway, but we won't go there.

The website has always had issues. One day it says one thing the next day it says another. I always use the pdf.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/ramtrucks/en_us/towing/Ram_LD_DT_Trailer_Tow_Weight_Chart_MY20.pdf

that is a 2020 chart

 

[silver billet]

that is a 2020 chart

The 2019 is harder to read for some reason so I linked the 2020 above, here is the 2019: https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/ramtrucks/en_us/towing/2019_DT_J1_Trailer Tow Official Report_OFFICIAL_A_2018-1-31.pdf

I have a better version for 2019 downloaded to my computer but not sure it makes much difference from year to year (haven't checked though).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that nobody lost 127 pounds. There has to be an official cutoff at some point so technically the OP might have officially lost that, but for GCWR it doesn't matter at all. Payload or RAWR is much more important, every 100 pounds lost is much more of a problem.

If we're towing travel trailers, we would all reach max payload well before GCWR. We didn't lose anything here.

 

[theblet]

they figure people are fatter since the pandemic, so they lowered it

 

[Trooper4]

I just look at the door sticker for MY truck, and don't worry about all the confusing paper trail says.

 

[Brutal_HO]

The 2019 is harder to read for some reason so I linked the 2020 above, here is the 2019: https://www.ramtrucks.com/content/dam/fca-brands/na/ramtrucks/en_us/towing/2019_DT_J1_Trailer Tow Official Report_OFFICIAL_A_2018-1-31.pdf

I have a better version for 2019 downloaded to my computer but not sure it makes much difference from year to year (haven't checked though).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that nobody lost 127 pounds. There has to be an official cutoff at some point so technically the OP might have officially lost that, but for GCWR it doesn't matter at all. Payload or RAWR is much more important, every 100 pounds lost is much more of a problem.

If we're towing travel trailers, we would all reach max payload well before GCWR. We didn't lose anything here.

Not just TT, it's nearly impossible to reach max tow on a GN or 5th wheel before running out of payload or GAWR. You just can't safely tow with that little pin weight that would let you reach the tow rating.

 

[devildodge]

I want so bad to weigh in on these on all the sites I frequent. But, I swore to myself...I was done with anything that involves the word payload.

 

[Loudram]

I think I lost a little too but for me personally, is not a big deal but someone may try and start a class action. You have to figure that's coming.

 

[devildodge]

I want so bad to weigh in on these on all the sites I frequent. But, I swore to myself...I was done with anything that involves the word payload.

I decided to join the conversation at HDRAMS.

But, as I posted my question, I did not make it far enough to see the wrong info and arguing over terminology...haha

The internet is such a fun place. Going back into my safe place ...hahaha

 

[CObiomedtech]

Looks like Ram removed the payload/towing link by VIN as it doesn't come up for me.

 

[90goldtsiawd]

Looks like Ram removed the payload/towing link by VIN as it doesn't come up for me.

I could not find it either?

 

[jmt8706]

they figure people are fatter since the pandemic, so they lowered it

So theoretically, people need the max tow for all that McDonalds.

 

[AdamChandler]

My fully loaded limited is still insanely payload restricted so the tow rating doesn’t mean much to me. I think my payload max is around 1050 pounds. I’m 270, wife is…er not zero (sorry hun) once we get in, I have a 6’4” bed that legally can haul about 8 bags of Quickrete before I’m over payload.

With the air suspension, I have hauled two 600 pound motorcycles in the bed + us + luggage and the limited air suspension doesn’t sag at all.

This photo is certainly not legal but we did 4000 miles with 670 (my bike), 550 (wife’s bike) and towing 1000 pound cruiser (tongue weight around 200) and MPGs dropped from 27-29 to 21 and near zero squat. So legally yeah I’m screwed but the trucks are stout.