Ford claims they dropped the baby Powerstoke dues to lackluster sales because their customers were opting for the ECOBoosts.Ford also discontinued their diesel. My guess is a low take rate plus high costs and possibly warranty cost issues.
It seems to be everyone's low blow to immediately criticize how you will never make up the cost of the engine. Though I'm not sure how people make up the cost of the v8 over the v6, the limited over a bighorn or the 12'' touch screen over the 8.4''. We all buy these things because we like/want them. If we were all so considered about cost we would have bought the base 1500 Classic RAM offered or other cheaper/simpler trucks.
My guess is trade in will depend on negotiating skills, just like normal. I see the dealer lying by saying “it’s not a common engine and has less value” to the uninformed consumer.If the Eco has a higher resale value than an otherwise identical Hemi, then it doesn't have to recoup all its additional cost in fuel savings as you get some back when you sell/trade.
I've not researched to see if it actually does hold a higher value at trade-in, though.
I haven’t looked recently but when I was buying back in 2020 the ED used was more pricey than a hemi. My thought is what’s going to be worth more once it has 300k, Hemi or ED, neither will be worth much anyway. At the rate in which I accumulate miles I’ll be eating the depreciation big time regardless of what I bought. It will be interesting to see in a few years as EVs come in and the gen 3 ED developes it’s reputation what these will be worth once they have 200+k miles. Same with the Hemi as the no hybrid options are only moving forward. Is it going to be worth $1500 or $30k, time will tell. I could see it swinging either way. Maybe EVs will be great and all these diesels and non-hybrid trucks are worthless or the opposite.My guess is trade in will depend on negotiating skills, just like normal. I see the dealer lying by saying “it’s not a common engine and has less value” to the uninformed consumer.
Bingo, everybody seems obsessed with whether the diesel will save you any money or not.Every time I ever did a build on a Laramie or a Limited with everything else the same, the difference between a Hemi and an ED was $2200.
Funny how you never hear people talking about whether the Hemi is "worth" the extra money over the V6. Like, it's not even a question whether the Hemi will pay for itself vs a V6. But you do hear (read) that discussion about Hemi vs ED. "I'm not sure the ED will save me money in the long run..."
I had Hemis for 13 years and 260K miles. I've now put about 13K miles on my new-to-me ED. It may or may not cost me more, overall, to drive it versus a Hemi. And I don't really care. It like the way it drives better than a Hemi, so even if it does cost a bit more overall, that's fine. I'm driving what I LIKE the best.
That said, my brother has a '20 Hemi that is virtually identical to my truck. Both w/3.21 rear ends. We swapped last weekend and went for a drive together, so he could see how my ED drives. And I got to experience back-to-back apples to apples myself. To be honest, there really is not a lot of difference (to ME) in the way they both drive. I like the ED a little better, but the difference was not as big as I was expecting, even after all my prior experience having my own Hemi. If my next truck puts me back into a gasser, I think the single biggest thing I will miss is no longer being able to actually drive 750-ish miles before stopping for fuel.
I find myself in the exact same boat! I had a 2017 Hemi with 3.21 gears and I prefer how my Ecodiesel 3.92 drives. I paid ~3,000 more for the diesel optioned truck, but it was a custom order new truck, whereas the hemi was a left over that had been on the lot for 8 months. Now even with 34" tires I still manage to get 100-150 miles more per tank of fuel than the Hemi did.Bingo, everybody seems obsessed with whether the diesel will save you any money or not.
I'm the same as you, I don't care. I drive 40,000km a year, and tow a lot in the winter. I had a Hemi and traded it on a diesel and couldn't be happier.
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Nailed it. The cost argument of the diesel is getting old. If we all wanted to save money we'd drive 2wd Bighorns with v6s, not a fully loaded Limited ecodiesel like I have.What's interesting is how many people talk about the EcoDiesel as if it's really about cost and savings. People pay extra for the hemi, not because it's going to save them in the long run, but because it's an ideal engine for their (perceived) needs. The pentistar is a perfectly suitable option for this truck, but the upgraded engines have their own benefits.
The EcoDiesel really shines because it does get unreal mileage. I just got 33.7 on the way up to Virginia.
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Of course, monetary savings, it depends on whether or not I'm willing to pay about $4.50 for a gallon of diesel, so forget about money, here's why I got the diesel:
Because I hate the Hemi. I really don't like gas trucks that much, I spent the last 7 years with a gas truck, and it's fine, but it never really felt like a truck, it felt like a big car. If you want a truck to behave like a car and be fast like one, then sure. But cars don't really do truck things.
I rented a hemi Ram and I was super disappointed how it behaved and towed. It was constantly roaring to life, chomping at the bit. Accelerate from 69 to 70, it drops 4 gears and screams to life, but then it struggles to pull a light trailer.
The diesel is quiet, composed, torque is on tap. It cruises like a limo and tows like there's nothing back there. No drama to climb, no drama to descend. It gets 1000mi on a tank, plus I can easily store more diesel in the bed. The power and torque is always there, but I just don't need to floor it. It BEHAVES like a truck and has the capacity of a truck.