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How heavy is too heavy.

That would be quite the recovery of the superduty, or did they just cut the chain and yell "Next time get a RAM!"
 
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Nomoretruck said:
That would be quite the recovery of the superduty, or did they just cut the chain and yell "Next time get a RAM!"
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Don't cut the chain! I think it has more than proven its value. I'm with you on the Ford though; disconnect and let 'er drop.
 
As long as we are off-topic...
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SD Frame failure

A buddy sent me this picture, anybody know the back-story behind it? Thanks, HRG
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That's an F450, and this is actually the second truck he has broken in the same place. The first was an F350.

The guy is a tool salesman and runs with his trailer heavily loaded (I think it's Canada). The trailer tongue is way behind the hitch on the truck, so the hitch must be reinforced. That's a LOOOOT of leverage on the frame of that truck. Seriously overloaded.
 
To the OP, respectfully
By now you have learned more than you bargained for.
I spent a couple of summers working in a cement batch plant in my college days. Handled a lot of material with an end loader. For your reference, 1 yard of sand weighs around 3000lbs, gravel 2700lbs, black dirt @2400lbs. Check you driver's door sticker to see what your load limit is according to the manufacturer. Heavy loads like these in a 1500 can cause some misery if you are not careful. Besides the obivious already mentioned, two more come to mind. The added load increases the stopping distance, plan for it if you load like this. Secondly IF you corner too fast, you can roll the front tire right off the rim. Best thing to do is stay within the load limits of the truck and stay safe and protected.
 
jkm312 said:
To the OP, respectfully
By now you have learned more than you bargained for.
I spent a couple of summers working in a cement batch plant in my college days. Handled a lot of material with an end loader. For your reference, 1 yard of sand weighs around 3000lbs, gravel 2700lbs, black dirt @2400lbs. Check you driver's door sticker to see what your load limit is according to the manufacturer. Heavy loads like these in a 1500 can cause some misery if you are not careful. Besides the obivious already mentioned, two more come to mind. The added load increases the stopping distance, plan for it if you load like this. Secondly IF you corner too fast, you can roll the front tire right off the rim. Best thing to do is stay within the load limits of the truck and stay safe and protected.
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To add to that, years ago as an even more naive 19 yr old should be allowed to be, I worked for a building contractor. He told me to move a truckful (using a 1969 D300 pickup with a dump box) of sand from one place to another.
It had rained the day(s) before but no matter to me.
I loaded the truck (with a tractor/bucket) up to nearly the 3' line of the sideboards. Yeah the truck creaked and groaned but the 1st gear of the 4 speed did manage to move it.
First 90 degree right turn I blew out both rt side duals. Boss was less than impressed...
So even a "1 ton" is easily overloaded if you are a fool.
 
Nomoretruck said:
To add to that, years ago as an even more naive 19 yr old should be allowed to be, I worked for a building contractor. He told me to move a truckful (using a 1969 D300 pickup with a dump box) of sand from one place to another.
It had rained the day(s) before but no matter to me.
I loaded the truck (with a tractor/bucket) up to nearly the 3' line of the sideboards. Yeah the truck creaked and groaned but the 1st gear of the 4 speed did manage to move it.
First 90 degree right turn I blew out both rt side duals. Boss was less than impressed...
So even a "1 ton" is easily overloaded if you are a fool.
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people don't realize that wet sand is 3500-4000, depending on how much it rained.
 
My first wife went to her dads for sand(dry blowsand) with our '77 long bed Toyota. Filled it almost to the top. Got home(30 miles) somehow without blowing the back tires. Poor thing was hard on the stops. She said it steered really easy😅
 
121E8EE9-5DEC-46D1-81D7-5EEC701FA289.jpegJust be smart about things and you will be just fine. I have put my truck through a lot of tests and have never been let down by it. I am a truck driver and heavy equipment operator and understand what things weigh and have things loaded safely. This is with just the coil spring on an off-road package before I put the bags in the rear and had no problem with it and that’s around 10,000lbs to 11,000lbs.
 
Here's my Ram WITH the air ride. Tow's soooo much nicer than my 18 with coils did or my buddies f250. This pic was taken last night:)
 

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So which number do I look at?
 

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The load limit will be about 1/3 of the way down from the top. Not all the limits will be the same. Variance is because of the difference in models and how they are equipped. My quad is load rated not to exceed 771KG of 1701 lbs. Yours will be a little lighter because it is a Limited, crew cab.

The sticker above it!

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Could this be right? I just had a yard of screened loam (2,500+lbs) and it handled it just fine. Much better than my old 1500.
 

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The yellow sticker is what people go by for legality reasons. Even though there is likely some "over-engineering" of your frame, axles, rims, brakes etc, 2500# in a vehicle rated for 1K does qualify as "too heavy" for anything other than very occasional use. I just hope you only put that kind of weight in your RAM maybe once a year/blue moon for longevity sake.

This guy (below) disagrees but he's likely a self-employed individual with children to feed...
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Just as long as this isn't you next time...
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What's tough about the payload numbers on trucks? If we're willing to use even SMALL trailer? Lets say a 3,000lb load in a small 1,000lb trailer?
That 4,000lb is a chip-shot.
Your truck will barely notice it, if you goofed on the tongue weight and did 20% tongue weight and not 10%? That's 800lbs.
Yes it can be annoying and all that.

I'm just saying, food for though: Some of these payload scenarios that are best suited for 3/4tons, are super-safe "won't notice it behind the truck, mpg barely changed" trailer situations.
 
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When I was in the Philippines in 1976 I saw a full grown Carabao (water buffalo) being taken someplace in an old surplus army 1/4T trailer. Wish I had taken a picture. Anyway for you non-army types, the 1/4T trailer had a capacity of, you got it, 1/4 Ton or 500#. A full grown male Carabao goes
500 kg.', so 1,127#. (They hauled them around all the time in those trailers.) Of course nobody paid any attention to gvwr back then on anything.
1625003598640.pngPoint is, a lot of trucks/trailers can be safely overloaded especially if low speeds and no grades. It's really the rims and tires which will fail first, brakes next especially if going down a steep grade.
 
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