B&M 70395 8HP75 transmission pan DID NOT FIT my 2020 ram 5.7

[HSKR R/T]

Right I understand. But if you have priced one of these transmissions then you would know that the better approach is to buy the original part from Mopar and not screw around with an aftermarket to save money. I am not sure why servicing transmissions has become such a saga, so I sympathize with the reactions to the cost of servicing, but at the same time the cost of these units, which are not rebuildable at the dealer level, are eye opening. So if you choose to service the transmission (I will do so as well) bite the bullet and get the original set up.

An aftermarket pan, that not only has a replaceable filter, but also I creases fluid capacity, and helps cook rhe fluid is better for the transmission, which will extend the life of them. You talk about the cost of rebuilds, so wouldnt you want to take steps to extend the service life of the transmission? I mean RAM says you should never have to replace the fluid, and we all agree that's not good. What makes the factory pan the better option?

 

[Rebob0510]

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Right I understand. But if you have priced one of these transmissions then you would know that the better approach is to buy the original part from Mopar and not screw around with an aftermarket to save money. I am not sure why servicing transmissions has become such a saga, so I sympathize with the reactions to the cost of servicing, but at the same time the cost of these units, which are not rebuildable at the dealer level, are eye opening. So if you choose to service the transmission (I will do so as well) bite the bullet and get the original set up.

Id pay $500 for a pan that has the drain in the correct spot, Why the OEM one is directly over the exhaust is beyond me. That is #1, the replaceable filter and extra oil capacity are just added bonuses lol

 

[PurpleRT]

$40 replacement filters

More Capacity 2 or 4 Qts more depending on which pan model you choose

Drain plug not over the crossover like some genius engineer thought would be a good idea on stock style

Aluminum w/ fins so maybe some magic helps with cooling… not plastic, has drain plug magnet.

Sounds like nothing but wins besides the more upfront cost… but you drive a 5th gen… $300 for a better pan isn’t going to kill ya

Nothing but wins IMO


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[PurpleRT]

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[Rebob0510]

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You have the big cats also, From what I see on PPE's website they used my style for the test pan which is nice because worst case if you have the longer cats it moves the crossover away from the pan. I have been in contact with PPE and they have been very helpful... Ill be ordering one of their pans. I still have yet to hear back from B&M... I did receive my credit for it tho haha

 

[Rebob0510]

Round 2.... Just ordered the PPE pan and a new OEM pan gasket. FYI if you are interested summit has a $20 off promo code... you can get the pan for $291 shipped. I will post my findings when I get it installed

 

[Jimmy07]

Short cats assembly part number is for 2019-early 2020 builds.
Long cats assembly part number is for late 2020-2024 builds.

 

[RAL]

An aftermarket pan, that not only has a replaceable filter, but also I creases fluid capacity, and helps cook rhe fluid is better for the transmission, which will extend the life of them. You talk about the cost of rebuilds, so wouldnt you want to take steps to extend the service life of the transmission? I mean RAM says you should never have to replace the fluid, and we all agree that's not good. What makes the factory pan the better option?

Call me skeptical. As built the 8hp is one of the best transmissions in the world. Messing with things improperly is the risk. Poor fitment for one. Also, if you are still under extended factory warranty, why would you want to provide a discussion point for denying coverage. Adding fluid capacity that is superfluous is irrelevant to its lifespan. ZF calling for a fluid change at 60k or so and that is enough rational reason to do it with a factual basis for that position. All this other stuff is guys on the internet talking themselves into things that are unnecessary. It is like the folks who think there is a magic oil that will prevent lifter failure instead of understanding that such defects when they occur, are metallurgical. Now does this mean you should ignore service intervals? No of course not. But obsessing over trans pan size or brand of oil is all a case of over thinking something that will largely be completely irrelevant to the lifespan of the vehicle. Out in the real world, service the trans between 60 and 100k, use the factory fluid and pan, and the rest is going to be a combination of driving pattern, your driving style, whether you tow, and plain old luck. That’s the reality.

 

[dajogejr]

the rest is going to be a combination of driving pattern, your driving style, whether you tow, and plain old luck. That’s the reality.

This.
Agree 100%.
But I’m here with popcorn for the naysayers.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Call me skeptical. As built the 8hp is one of the best transmissions in the world. Messing with things improperly is the risk. Poor fitment for one. Also, if you are still under extended factory warranty, why would you want to provide a discussion point for denying coverage. Adding fluid capacity that is superfluous is irrelevant to its lifespan. ZF calling for a fluid change at 60k or so and that is enough rational reason to do it with a factual basis for that position. All this other stuff is guys on the internet talking themselves into things that are unnecessary. It is like the folks who think there is a magic oil that will prevent lifter failure instead of understanding that such defects when they occur, are metallurgical. Now does this mean you should ignore service intervals? No of course not. But obsessing over trans pan size or brand of oil is all a case of over thinking something that will largely be completely irrelevant to the lifespan of the vehicle. Out in the real world, service the trans between 60 and 100k, use the factory fluid and pan, and the rest is going to be a combination of driving pattern, your driving style, whether you tow, and plain old luck. That’s the reality.

So follow factory recommendations, but also don't. That's what I get out of your post. RAM says it's a lifetime fill and should never need serviced, yet you say it should be. ZF recommends 60k service but they don't even make the transmissions for RAM. Stellantis bought the license from ZF to manufacturer them right here in the good o USA. So saying you should change fluid and filter is going against manufacturer recommendations.

As for warranty, most people putting aftermarket parts of their vehicles don't care about the warranty anymore. Especially since RAM says there isn't a need for a service interval.

Every aftermarket part install by owners is unnecessary, you may be content just driving your truck from A to B, never changing anything. Some of us like to enjoy our trucks and changing looks and/or performance. I'm lifted with bigger tires, aftermarket HD axles, 35" tires, off-road bumpers and winch, custom vinyl...............stock is boring. I'm outside warranty, not that I ever really cared before. As most of the stuff I did to the truck was while it was under warranty, and never had any issues getting warranty work done. Keep your truck stock, don't worry about us guys who like to modify ours and actually research parts. There are more bonuses to going with the PPE pan, than keeping it stock. But you need to actually use your truck, not just commute with it.

 

[Rebob0510]

Next step started today, After days of shipping delays because of weather (Palermo, NY which is 1/2 hour from me received 101" of snow in 7 days LOL) I finally received the PPE pan. It also looks like a very nice piece, Unlike the B&M pan which requires some assembly before the install, the PPE is ready right out of the box. I like the fact that is also uses the OEM style O-ring gasket. Hoping to install it this weekend

 

[Rebob0510]

3/1/25 Update, Installed the PPE pan today.... went much smoother than my original try LOL. The install was a breeze because I already had everything apart and knew what to expect. A few notes... Order a new pan gasket, Instructions say to reuse the old one but I felt better using a new one P/N is 6817256AA. The instructions also tell you to keep the factory flange collars, they are steel inserts that are pressed into the stock pan. Without these collars the holes in the PPE pan are very large. After some research I found that some people use the collars and some leave them out. I opted to use them and installed them into the new pan. Transmission temp was too warm so ill fill it with oil tomorrow and do the oil fill level procedure.

 

[RAL]

So follow factory recommendations, but also don't. That's what I get out of your post. RAM says it's a lifetime fill and should never need serviced, yet you say it should be. ZF recommends 60k service but they don't even make the transmissions for RAM. Stellantis bought the license from ZF to manufacturer them right here in the good o USA. So saying you should change fluid and filter is going against manufacturer recommendations.

As for warranty, most people putting aftermarket parts of their vehicles don't care about the warranty anymore. Especially since RAM says there isn't a need for a service interval.

Every aftermarket part install by owners is unnecessary, you may be content just driving your truck from A to B, never changing anything. Some of us like to enjoy our trucks and changing looks and/or performance. I'm lifted with bigger tires, aftermarket HD axles, 35" tires, off-road bumpers and winch, custom vinyl...............stock is boring. I'm outside warranty, not that I ever really cared before. As most of the stuff I did to the truck was while it was under warranty, and never had any issues getting warranty work done. Keep your truck stock, don't worry about us guys who like to modify ours and actually research parts. There are more bonuses to going with the PPE pan, than keeping it stock. But you need to actually use your truck, not just commute with it.

All I am saying is that at least on the change, you have a fact based data point - ZF’s view on service - to justify departing from the standard factory recommendation. The rest is pure speculation of the unhelpful sort that you routinely see on the internet.

I need to check my manual, but is there a fluid change recommended for “severe” use? That would also provide a basis.

 

[kapinallinen2]

All I am saying is that at least on the change, you have a fact based data point - ZF’s view on service - to justify departing from the standard factory recommendation. The rest is pure speculation of the unhelpful sort that you routinely see on the internet.

I need to check my manual, but is there a fluid change recommended for “severe” use? That would also provide a basis.

No.