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2026 HEMI or Hurricane?

it's funny 392 is not new. it first appeared in the early 50's and the hemi was and still is the dominant motor in like all drag racing for almost 75 years.
so old tech it is but it's like a fine wine it only got better with time. that being said i didn't like the I-6 being forced down our throats just as much as ET it's all about freedom of choice so i'm glad the hemi is back. you can rebuild a hemi i guarantee you won't be able to rebuild the new I-6. the fact is planned opalescence is a real thing so nothing built today will last long term but who is really gonna have a 2025 in 50 years. MANY guy's here get a new truck every 3 to 4 years so it really don't matter to them. don't hate on the hemi with the new 300+hp hurricane I4 i predict we will see 2.0 4 cylinder 1500's soon.
CHOICE get whatever YOU want! and enjoy it the way you want.
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I don't believe that myth. I have collectively 300k miles between 2 HEMIS and never experienced this. Both Dodge and GM have had lifter issues due to bad metallurgy in the cam, lifter wheels, both, infrequent oil changes or all 3
It's not a myth. Scotty Kilmer explained it pretty well in one of his youtube videos or speak with a random police chief with all their hemi charger fleet. GMs lifter issues are all related to their cylinder deactivation, not idling times.
 
it's funny 392 is not new. it first appeared in the early 50's and the hemi was and still is the dominant motor in like all drag racing for almost 75 years.
so old tech it is but it's like a fine wine it only got better with time. that being said i didn't like the I-6 being forced down our throats just as much as ET it's all about freedom of choice so i'm glad the hemi is back. you can rebuild a hemi i guarantee you won't be able to rebuild the new I-6. the fact is planned opalescence is a real thing so nothing built today will last long term but who is really gonna have a 2025 in 50 years. MANY guy's here get a new truck every 3 to 4 years so it really don't matter to them. don't hate on the hemi with the new 300+hp hurricane I4 i predict we will see 2.0 4 cylinder 1500's soon.
CHOICE get whatever YOU want! and enjoy it the way you want.
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The modern 6.4, shares little with the old 392 Hemi
 
It's not a myth. Scotty Kilmer explained it pretty well in one of his youtube videos or speak with a random police chief with all their hemi charger fleet. GMs lifter issues are all related to their cylinder deactivation, not idling times.
That Scotty Kilmer video has been debunked multiple times
 
It's not a myth. Scotty Kilmer explained it pretty well in one of his youtube videos or speak with a random police chief with all their hemi charger fleet. GMs lifter issues are all related to their cylinder deactivation, not idling times.

YouTube mechanics, ok.
GM has lifter issues with non DoD engines as well. Corvettes don't use DoD and have had lifter/cam harding issues since the early 2000s
 
it's funny 392 is not new. it first appeared in the early 50's and the hemi was and still is the dominant motor in like all drag racing for almost 75 years.
so old tech it is but it's like a fine wine it only got better with time. that being said i didn't like the I-6 being forced down our throats just as much as ET it's all about freedom of choice so i'm glad the hemi is back. you can rebuild a hemi i guarantee you won't be able to rebuild the new I-6. the fact is planned opalescence is a real thing so nothing built today will last long term but who is really gonna have a 2025 in 50 years. MANY guy's here get a new truck every 3 to 4 years so it really don't matter to them. don't hate on the hemi with the new 300+hp hurricane I4 i predict we will see 2.0 4 cylinder 1500's soon.
CHOICE get whatever YOU want! and enjoy it the way you want.
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The only thing that 392 shares with the current 392 is it's size.
The rebuild aspect is pointless, no one's keeping these trucks long enough to rebuild an engine and that claim is baseless anyway.

You want the less powerful HEMi, go ahead, they brought it back but to say it's better in any meaningful way is just a flat out lie.

There is nothing about my HEMI truck that's better than the hurricane truck
 
It's not a myth. Scotty Kilmer explained it pretty well in one of his youtube videos or speak with a random police chief with all their hemi charger fleet. GMs lifter issues are all related to their cylinder deactivation, not idling times.

GM's v8's have lifter/cam issues, Fords 7.3 has had lifter/cam issues, hemi has had lifter issues, pentastar has had cam/lifter issues, even the cummins has had recent lifter issues.

The relationship to police cars and high idling is correlation, not causation. If you have weak cam/lifter then any engine runtime will contribute to this. Police cars get a lot of runtime, doesn't matter whether its driving or idling it will add up and eventually eat itself. They should be changing the oil monthly (320 hours) if its running most of the day, and I seriously doubt many of them can be bothered to do that.

We also know that the recommended 20 grade is insufficient, the first thing GM did when they started looking into the 6.2 issues was recommend a 40 grade instead, that's because if there is even the slightest imperfection on the cam lobe then you need higher viscosity to prevent direct contact.

There is an engineers report on a failed hemi cam which basically said that the cam failed due to the oil being insufficient (either in viscosity or in additives) to protect the cam, there was no indication of oil starvation.
 
Can't stand that guy, he contradicts himself all the time.
Yep - he is an idiot
I stopped watching his rambling nonsense many years ago—total flip-flops on Gen 5 Ram, and other vehicle reviews that I wasted my time watching.
 
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I had an '09 Hemi. I put 193K miles on it.

I had a '19 Hemi/eTorque. I put 72K miles on it.

I had a '21 EcoDiesel. I put something like 70K miles on it.

Now I have a '25 Limited with the SST HO and about 9K miles.

Out of all those, a Hemi is the LAST one I would choose again.
 
I've had all three actually. Still have my 20 Limited with Etorque, will be sold when it comes out of the body shop
Had a 25 Laramie SO for a month and now have a Tungsten with the HO.

The SO and the HO are night and day hands down better than the 5.7 HEMI and I'd argue better than the 6.4 SRT car engine. The 6.4 car engine would need a different cam and intake in the truck, otherwise it'd have to be wound up too high to make enough torque to move a truck weighing 2000 more pounds than the car it was designed for.

The SO had a 3.55 rear and got about 18 mpg hand calc'd on the same route my 5.7/3.21 truck would get 17-17.5. The SO has power everywhere in the RPM range and you do not wait for the engine to rev up for power, it made for a far better driving truck than the 5.7.
The Laramie also had 20's and the standard coil spring suspension, it rode good but it was no comparison to my Limited with air ride; people that say they ride similar are a damn lie or they've never driven an air ride truck.

The Tungsten with the HO is far, far superior to the 5.7 and power wise better than the SO. I do think the SO drives a little better than the HO but that may have also been the 3.55 vs the HO's 3.92. The SO seemed to drive better at part throttle or it felt like it had more power at mid throttle than the HO. The SO has 10.4:1 compression whereas the HP has 9.5:1 compression , almost a full a point higher and that may also contribute to the SO feeling stronger in the low end and mid range when staying out of boost. Neither engine appear to have much lag and the HO is definitely the bigger monster once you command boost and pulls all the way to ~6200 rpm and just keeps pulling with each upshift, never rolls over or stops accelerating right up to the speed limiter.

My Tungsten gets about between 1-1.25 less MPG than my Limited and about 1.5 less than the Laramie SO I had but it also has a deeper rear gear than the SO. I expected less MPG than my Limited simply because of an additional 150 HP and 110 lb ft of torque much ;ess the different gear. gas only has so much power per BTU and to make more power, you must add more fuel so those looking/thinking/arguing that it should get better mileage because its a I6 simply don't understand engines and fuel

I'm not concerned with the Hurricanes "complexity" at all and I don't really feel its complex and more complex than the 48V HEMI etorque system. Twin Turbo I6's have been around for a long long time, thus far, my HO has not disappointed.

The only real issues with the 25/26 really has nothing to do with the powertrain but the new Atlantis electronic canbus architecture. I've had no issues but I've seen in FB groups that p[eop[le that bought the 5.7 in a 26 are having the same electrical issues some 25's trucks have experienced. I personally think UC5 sucks rocks and that UC 4 is better and much faster but there's no getting around that.

Both the SO and the HO are stupid silky smooth, so much so that I have to look at the tach to see if its even running. The I6 engine sound exhaust is really the only thing i'd complain about but even that I got over very very quickly, the only time you can really hear the I6 exhaust is when your in a HEMI truck trying to keep up.

There is no way I'd buy the HEMI over the Hurricane, NO WAY, even if the HEMI was cheaper.
I still like my 5.7 Limited and if it was hit by a light running no driving indian, Id probably still be driving it now but it's no comparison to the Tungsten. The SO/HO trucks seem to handle a little better as well, likely because there's less weight over the nose. The Tungstens air ride is also much faster than my 20; raising and lowering the truck is a lot faster in the 25.

Oh yeah, using sport mode turns off traction control and puts the truck in 4Hi, stall it out to 3600-4000 rpm and hang on; this thing moves out. Theres people 60ft'ing 1.7-1.8 sec and running high 12's stock and 11:90s with a JB4 or a CAT 6
Nice write up...thank you!
 
Yep - he is an idiot
Okay, to each his own opinion, but I have question for all the Hemi professional mechanics here about the Hemi "lifter noise".

I've had 4 Hemis in my 1500s ('14, '17, '19, '22) and now have my '25 Limited Hurricane. For my business, I will have short drives of maybe under 5 minutes. After shutdown and restarting about 5 minutes later, ALL of the Hemis' lifters rattle on startup. I've never had any vehicle from another other brand do this.

All of these vehicles were leased new for my business and all had under 36K miles when turned in.

Any idea of what could cause this? Seems like a oil pressure/pump situation?
 
Okay, to each his own opinion, but I have question for all the Hemi professional mechanics here about the Hemi "lifter noise".

I've had 4 Hemis in my 1500s ('14, '17, '19, '22) and now have my '25 Limited Hurricane. For my business, I will have short drives of maybe under 5 minutes. After shutdown and restarting about 5 minutes later, ALL of the Hemis' lifters rattle on startup. I've never had any vehicle from another other brand do this.

All of these vehicles were leased new for my business and all had under 36K miles when turned in.

Any idea of what could cause this? Seems like a oil pressure/pump situation?

That's hydraulic lifter bleed down. My pentastar did that a few times too. You can try a better oil filter, one with a silicon ADBV but mixed results doing that.
 
GM's v8's have lifter/cam issues, Fords 7.3 has had lifter/cam issues, hemi has had lifter issues, pentastar has had cam/lifter issues, even the cummins has had recent lifter issues.

The relationship to police cars and high idling is correlation, not causation. If you have weak cam/lifter then any engine runtime will contribute to this. Police cars get a lot of runtime, doesn't matter whether its driving or idling it will add up and eventually eat itself. They should be changing the oil monthly (320 hours) if its running most of the day, and I seriously doubt many of them can be bothered to do that.

We also know that the recommended 20 grade is insufficient, the first thing GM did when they started looking into the 6.2 issues was recommend a 40 grade instead, that's because if there is even the slightest imperfection on the cam lobe then you need higher viscosity to prevent direct contact.

There is an engineers report on a failed hemi cam which basically said that the cam failed due to the oil being insufficient (either in viscosity or in additives) to protect the cam, there was no indication of oil starvation.
The GM 6.2 issue was crank journal finish issues not cam. The surface finish on the crank journals wasn't correct for use with the 20 weight oil. The switch to the 40 weight was a band aid to cover up the crank issue, not a solution. Which is why if you get the engine replaced under the recall they still recommend the 20 weight because they corrected the crank journal issue on the new engines.

The Hemi lifter issue was a problem with the needle bearings in the lifters. Which is why you don't hear about newer Hemis having as many issues because they switched lifter supplier and have laeger needle bearings that can a handle the abuse.
 
I don't believe that myth. I have collectively 300k miles between 2 HEMIS and never experienced this. Both Dodge and GM have had lifter issues due to bad metallurgy in the cam, lifter wheels, both, infrequent oil changes or all 3
Same here..3 hemis. No issue
 
I had an '09 Hemi. I put 193K miles on it.

I had a '19 Hemi/eTorque. I put 72K miles on it.

I had a '21 EcoDiesel. I put something like 70K miles on it.

Now I have a '25 Limited with the SST HO and about 9K miles.

Out of all those, a Hemi is the LAST one I would choose again.

My first Hemi had to have exhaust leaks (broken header bolt or cracked manifold) repaired something like 6 times.

My second Hemi had to have an exhaust leak fixed at 40-something K miles and when I traded it in with 73K (roughly) on it, it had just started to sound like it had a new exhaust leak that would need to be fixed soon.

And those many, multiple exhaust leak repairs really are nothing to do with why the Hemi would be my last choice.

The Hemi is just an outdated, obsolete engine design that has been Band-aided with a crap-ton of tech to try and cover up its shortcomings - and which just serves to add even more failure points to the motor (e.g. eTorque). And it's still a dog.

My '21 EcoDiesel with an EPA-compliant GDE tune was way nicer to drive.

My SST HO is WAY nicer to drive than either.
 

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