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2022 Ford F-150 Raptor R Future Cars: Beast Mode, Leveled Up
The Ram TRX might have caught Ford flat-footed, but the Raptor R aims to settle the score with a supercharged V-8 of its own.
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2022 Ford F-150 Raptor R Gets a Supercharged V-8 Power Boost...Watch your back, Ram TRX
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Trooper4
Ram Guru
AAHHHH!!!!!! Truck power wars. It can only go super crazy from here. First it was diesels and towing power, now it's off-road and air time power. Go figure.
Willwork4truck
Spends too much time on here
Might as well happen.
Maybe the "trickle down" theory of increasing horsepower/tq will eventually get to the poor ol' hemi...
Maybe the "trickle down" theory of increasing horsepower/tq will eventually get to the poor ol' hemi...
Trooper4
Ram Guru
Poor ol' hemy my @ss. We have more HP than most of the muscle cars of the 60's 70's and 80's.
The street Hemi version was rated at 425 bhp (431 PS; 317 kW) at 5000 rpm SAE gross and 490 lb⋅ft (664 N⋅m) at 4000 rpm of torque equipped with a pair of four-barrel Carter AFB carburetors.[20] In actual dynamometer testing, it produced 433.5 hp (323 kW; 440 PS) and 472 lb⋅ft (640 N⋅m) of torque in purely stock form.[21] Chrysler's sales literature[22] published both the gross 425 hp (317 kW; 431 PS) and net 350 hp (261 kW; 355 PS) ratings for 1971.
But most muscle cars produced less than 400hp and many were in the mid 300 range.
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securityguy
Legendary member
You do know it’s 2021…..
Willwork4truck
Spends too much time on here
Which Pickup Truck has the Most Horsepower and Torque?
We may get commissions for purchases made through links in this post. It’s the first thing many pickup shoppers look for: which truck offers the most horsepower and torque? Power delivery not only makes your truck more fun to drive, but it also helps it do the work you bought it for. Whether you...
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Horsepower Winner:
2021 F150, 3.5-Liter PowerBoost Full Hybrid V6 Engine
With 430 horsepower and 570 lb-ft of torque coming from its 3.5-liter V6, the high-output twin-turbo 3.5-liter PowerBoost V6 makes the Ford F150 the undisputed power king. While the engine is only available as either an expensive option or standard on high-level models such as the Raptor and Limited trim package, for those who prioritize power over everything, this is the only half-ton to consider.Torque Winner:
2021 Nissan Titan, 5.6-Liter DOHC 32-Valve V8 Engine
Now, there is some dispute as to whether the Titan should even be considered a half-ton. Because its payload and towing specs put it much more closely in line with other half-tons, that’s where we decided it should be for this list.Because it offers a larger diesel engine than any other pickup in this category, the Titan XD equipped with the Cummins V8 easily bests all others when it comes to torque. Sure, the 400 horsepower isn’t very impressive in a field where many trucks boast well north of 400, the 413 lb-ft rating means this Titan can get some seriously heavy loads moving with ease.
Runners-Up
2021 Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 1500, 6.2-Liter V8:
With the biggest V8 available in any half-ton truck, it should come as no surprise that the Silverado/Sierra twins pack some serious power. And, while their outputs might not be the most impressive in this class, 420 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque should get the job done for just about anyone.There are some potential downsides to consider, however. Being a naturally-aspirated engine, these V8s do require higher rpm to reach their power ratings than the turbocharged competition. And higher elevations will reduce the power output significantly compared to forced-induction engines which can overcome those oxygen-starved environments much more easily.
Still, many truck owners still prefer the sound and feel of these big V8s over the smaller, turbocharged competition. For those folks, there really is no replacement for displacement.
2021 Ram 1500, 5.7-Liter Hemi V8:
Ram’s most potent engine choice, the 5.7-liter Hemi, simply cannot keep up with the more modern options offered by the other manufacturers. Producing 395 hp and 410 lb-ft of torque, this big V8’s specs would have been class-leading several years ago. (Bolding is mine)So, realize that this truck is no slouch – it’s just not class-leading in 2021. Still, shoppers can’t help but notice when a manufacturer is lagging behind the field, and Ram will likely come out with some new engine options in the near future.
2021 Toyota Tundra, 5.7-Liter V8:
Anyone who knows Toyota knows they bank on one key feature: reliability. And the company’s approach to producing the most reliable vehicles possible often means not pushing the envelope when it comes to engine technology. In fact, the 5.7-liter V8 offered as the top powerplant in the 2021 Tundra is almost entirely unchanged since it debuted back in 2007.It still puts out 381 horsepower to go along with 401 lb-ft of torque. Those were huge figures 12 years ago, but today they just can’t’ stand up to the competition’s best offerings. But if you are more concerned with reaching 200,000 miles and beyond than with 0 to 60 times, the Tundra is still a smart buy.
Heavy-Duty (3/4 And 1-Ton) Pickups
With a much smaller field, the heavy-duty market features just three real choices: Ford, Ram, and GM. Sure, GM technically produces two different models – the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra, we will treat them as the same truck because their mechanical specs are identical when it comes to their top-level diesel engine.That doesn’t mean your choice will be much easier, however, as all of these trucks offer hugely powerful engines and historically high tow ratings. So, let’s find out where they all stand:
Torque Winner:
2021 Ram 2500 And 3500 HD
For 2021, Ram offers not one, but two diesel engines – a standard and a high-output version of the 6.7-liter High-Output Cummins Turbo Diesel I6 Engine. While the lesser of the two trails far behind the Ford and GM products, it’s the HO version we are interested in today. That’s because its 1075 lb-ft makes it the first truck to clear the quadruple-digit mark for torque.While its 400 horsepower is last in class, torque is king when it comes to the heavy-duty game. That means the Ram can claim a class-leading 35,100-lb gooseneck/5th-wheel tow rating on properly-equipped trucks.
Horsepower Winner:
2021 Ford Super Duty (F250 And F350)
Power may not be as important to heavy-duty shoppers, but it’s still an important factor to consider. For those willing to deal with a “paltry” 1050 lb-ft of torque, Ford’s 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo Diesel delivers 475 horsepower; more than any other truck in this class.With plenty of power on tap for just about any occasion, Ford claims its heavy-duty offerings deliver customers the highest conventional (bumper) tow rating: 21,000 lbs. And it’s not far behind Ram with a 35,000-lb gooseneck rating, either.
Runners-Up
2021 Silverado/Sierra 2500 And 3500 HD:
So, we’ve come to the last-place finished for the heavy-duty power game. As you would guess, these GM trucks can barely pull a riding lawnmower. Just kidding, of course! Heavy-duty trucks are so competitive today that there is really no clear winner here.With 475 hp and 910 lb-ft delivered by their 6.6-liter Duramax Turbo-Diesel V8 diesel, these HD trucks are nothing to sneeze at. And, while their maximum tow rating of 23,100 lbs falls well short of the astronomical 35,000-plus figures of the other manufacturers, it is still more than enough for most buyers.
Conclusion
After reviewing the power ratings for all half-ton and heavy-duty trucks, the main conclusion to draw has to be this: there has never been a better time to buy an insanely-powerful pickup. I mean, come one – 1,000 lb-ft of torque?!Where are we going next?
I can’t predict the future, we sure seem to be spiraling towards 500-horsepower trucks and 40,000-lb tow ratings. And, whether you consider that a good thing or not, it does mean that today’s trucks are more capable of safely and competently towing and hauling than ever before. Just think about it – if your truck is rated to tow 35,000 lbs, how well will it pull your 12,000-lb 5th wheel? As for me? I will just sit back and watch this amazing power race with popcorn in hand..." (End of copied article)
jimothy
Ram Guru
The article speculates the Raptor R will start at $70,000. I doubt it. The regular Raptor starts at $64,145, and I’d be surprised if the R comes in at only a $6,000 premium.
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nc_beagle
Ram Guru
Not sure I follow the Titan part. It says it has a Cummins Diesel V8? And it's given the "Torque Winner" title at 413 lb-ft, though the Hybrid EcoBoost has 570 and the EcoDiesel has 480 lb-ft. Not sure about the Chevy diesel, but I imagine it's higher as well.Which Pickup Truck has the Most Horsepower and Torque?
We may get commissions for purchases made through links in this post. It’s the first thing many pickup shoppers look for: which truck offers the most horsepower and torque? Power delivery not only makes your truck more fun to drive, but it also helps it do the work you bought it for. Whether you...Horsepower Winner:
2021 F150, 3.5-Liter PowerBoost Full Hybrid V6 Engine
With 430 horsepower and 570 lb-ft of torque coming from its 3.5-liter V6, the high-output twin-turbo 3.5-liter PowerBoost V6 makes the Ford F150 the undisputed power king. While the engine is only available as either an expensive option or standard on high-level models such as the Raptor and Limited trim package, for those who prioritize power over everything, this is the only half-ton to consider.
Torque Winner:
2021 Nissan Titan, 5.6-Liter DOHC 32-Valve V8 Engine
Now, there is some dispute as to whether the Titan should even be considered a half-ton. Because its payload and towing specs put it much more closely in line with other half-tons, that’s where we decided it should be for this list.
Because it offers a larger diesel engine than any other pickup in this category, the Titan XD equipped with the Cummins V8 easily bests all others when it comes to torque. Sure, the 400 horsepower isn’t very impressive in a field where many trucks boast well north of 400, the 413 lb-ft rating means this Titan can get some seriously heavy loads moving with ease.
Runners-Up
2021 Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 1500, 6.2-Liter V8:
With the biggest V8 available in any half-ton truck, it should come as no surprise that the Silverado/Sierra twins pack some serious power. And, while their outputs might not be the most impressive in this class, 420 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque should get the job done for just about anyone.
There are some potential downsides to consider, however. Being a naturally-aspirated engine, these V8s do require higher rpm to reach their power ratings than the turbocharged competition. And higher elevations will reduce the power output significantly compared to forced-induction engines which can overcome those oxygen-starved environments much more easily.
Still, many truck owners still prefer the sound and feel of these big V8s over the smaller, turbocharged competition. For those folks, there really is no replacement for displacement.
2021 Ram 1500, 5.7-Liter Hemi V8:
Ram’s most potent engine choice, the 5.7-liter Hemi, simply cannot keep up with the more modern options offered by the other manufacturers. Producing 395 hp and 410 lb-ft of torque, this big V8’s specs would have been class-leading several years ago. (Bolding is mine)
So, realize that this truck is no slouch – it’s just not class-leading in 2021. Still, shoppers can’t help but notice when a manufacturer is lagging behind the field, and Ram will likely come out with some new engine options in the near future.
2021 Toyota Tundra, 5.7-Liter V8:
Anyone who knows Toyota knows they bank on one key feature: reliability. And the company’s approach to producing the most reliable vehicles possible often means not pushing the envelope when it comes to engine technology. In fact, the 5.7-liter V8 offered as the top powerplant in the 2021 Tundra is almost entirely unchanged since it debuted back in 2007.
It still puts out 381 horsepower to go along with 401 lb-ft of torque. Those were huge figures 12 years ago, but today they just can’t’ stand up to the competition’s best offerings. But if you are more concerned with reaching 200,000 miles and beyond than with 0 to 60 times, the Tundra is still a smart buy.
Heavy-Duty (3/4 And 1-Ton) Pickups
With a much smaller field, the heavy-duty market features just three real choices: Ford, Ram, and GM. Sure, GM technically produces two different models – the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra, we will treat them as the same truck because their mechanical specs are identical when it comes to their top-level diesel engine.
That doesn’t mean your choice will be much easier, however, as all of these trucks offer hugely powerful engines and historically high tow ratings. So, let’s find out where they all stand:
Torque Winner:
2021 Ram 2500 And 3500 HD
For 2021, Ram offers not one, but two diesel engines – a standard and a high-output version of the 6.7-liter High-Output Cummins Turbo Diesel I6 Engine. While the lesser of the two trails far behind the Ford and GM products, it’s the HO version we are interested in today. That’s because its 1075 lb-ft makes it the first truck to clear the quadruple-digit mark for torque.
While its 400 horsepower is last in class, torque is king when it comes to the heavy-duty game. That means the Ram can claim a class-leading 35,100-lb gooseneck/5th-wheel tow rating on properly-equipped trucks.
Horsepower Winner:
2021 Ford Super Duty (F250 And F350)
Power may not be as important to heavy-duty shoppers, but it’s still an important factor to consider. For those willing to deal with a “paltry” 1050 lb-ft of torque, Ford’s 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo Diesel delivers 475 horsepower; more than any other truck in this class.
With plenty of power on tap for just about any occasion, Ford claims its heavy-duty offerings deliver customers the highest conventional (bumper) tow rating: 21,000 lbs. And it’s not far behind Ram with a 35,000-lb gooseneck rating, either.
Runners-Up
2021 Silverado/Sierra 2500 And 3500 HD:
So, we’ve come to the last-place finished for the heavy-duty power game. As you would guess, these GM trucks can barely pull a riding lawnmower. Just kidding, of course! Heavy-duty trucks are so competitive today that there is really no clear winner here.
With 475 hp and 910 lb-ft delivered by their 6.6-liter Duramax Turbo-Diesel V8 diesel, these HD trucks are nothing to sneeze at. And, while their maximum tow rating of 23,100 lbs falls well short of the astronomical 35,000-plus figures of the other manufacturers, it is still more than enough for most buyers.
Conclusion
After reviewing the power ratings for all half-ton and heavy-duty trucks, the main conclusion to draw has to be this: there has never been a better time to buy an insanely-powerful pickup. I mean, come one – 1,000 lb-ft of torque?!
Where are we going next?
I can’t predict the future, we sure seem to be spiraling towards 500-horsepower trucks and 40,000-lb tow ratings. And, whether you consider that a good thing or not, it does mean that today’s trucks are more capable of safely and competently towing and hauling than ever before. Just think about it – if your truck is rated to tow 35,000 lbs, how well will it pull your 12,000-lb 5th wheel? As for me? I will just sit back and watch this amazing power race with popcorn in hand..." (End of copied article)
Willwork4truck
Spends too much time on here
Misprint maybe? One site (https://www.autoweek.com/news/truck...discontinuing-cummins-diesel-titan-xd-pickup/) said this: "The Nissan Titan XD diesel pickup, which packed 555 lb-ft of torque and a theoretical towing capacity of 12,830 pounds courtesy of a 5.0-liter Cummins turbodiesel V8, will be discontinued for the 2020 model year, according to a report by Automotive News. Also on the chopping block: the Titan single-cab."
The article was first written in June 2019, so maybe the revised ecobooster wasn't in production yet? Dunno'.
Some background on the ill-fated Nissan: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29356032/nissan-titan-diesel-cummins-goodbye/
"The Nissan Titan XD Cummins is dead after four years of production. Starting in 2020, the Cummins turbodiesel 5.0-liter V-8 will no longer be available in Nissan’s full-size pickup. It’s part of an effort to stanch the brand’s bleeding. Nissan reported a 44.6 percent drop in operating profit from 2017 to 2018, and through the first six months of 2019, Titan sales were down nearly a quarter from those months last year, at slightly more than 18,000 units. In the same period, Ford moved nearly 450,000 F-Series...
...But more and more, the vehicles we enjoy aren’t spec-sheet wonders. The Titan Cummins is satisfying because it reminds us of our favorite trucks from the past. It is unapologetically a pickup, with a simple, logical interior free of useless tech gimmicks. That diesel V-8 makes itself known, pleasantly churning away past the firewall and offering a groundswell of torque on command. The XD has nicely weighted hydraulic steering, instead of vague electric assist, and a stout, six-speed Aisin automatic. Every bit of the Titan is recognizable as traditional truck, down to the column-mounted shift lever. If you’ve spent any time fumbling with the massive tombstone touchscreen and rotary shift selector in a Ram 1500 or waited impatiently for an F-150 to pick one of its 10 gears, you know what the Detroit Three seem to have forgotten: the best tools are simple." (End of copied portion)
Food for thought there.
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Trooper4
Ram Guru
Yes I do, and I haven't needed 700+hp to get to the Walmart yet.
When gas hits $5+ in the near future neither will the rest of the hotrodders.
Trooper4
Ram Guru
Those tow ratings won't be for the super truck. You'll need torque. Get a diesel for that.Which Pickup Truck has the Most Horsepower and Torque?
We may get commissions for purchases made through links in this post. It’s the first thing many pickup shoppers look for: which truck offers the most horsepower and torque? Power delivery not only makes your truck more fun to drive, but it also helps it do the work you bought it for. Whether you...Horsepower Winner:
2021 F150, 3.5-Liter PowerBoost Full Hybrid V6 Engine
With 430 horsepower and 570 lb-ft of torque coming from its 3.5-liter V6, the high-output twin-turbo 3.5-liter PowerBoost V6 makes the Ford F150 the undisputed power king. While the engine is only available as either an expensive option or standard on high-level models such as the Raptor and Limited trim package, for those who prioritize power over everything, this is the only half-ton to consider.
Torque Winner:
2021 Nissan Titan, 5.6-Liter DOHC 32-Valve V8 Engine
Now, there is some dispute as to whether the Titan should even be considered a half-ton. Because its payload and towing specs put it much more closely in line with other half-tons, that’s where we decided it should be for this list.
Because it offers a larger diesel engine than any other pickup in this category, the Titan XD equipped with the Cummins V8 easily bests all others when it comes to torque. Sure, the 400 horsepower isn’t very impressive in a field where many trucks boast well north of 400, the 413 lb-ft rating means this Titan can get some seriously heavy loads moving with ease.
Runners-Up
2021 Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 1500, 6.2-Liter V8:
With the biggest V8 available in any half-ton truck, it should come as no surprise that the Silverado/Sierra twins pack some serious power. And, while their outputs might not be the most impressive in this class, 420 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque should get the job done for just about anyone.
There are some potential downsides to consider, however. Being a naturally-aspirated engine, these V8s do require higher rpm to reach their power ratings than the turbocharged competition. And higher elevations will reduce the power output significantly compared to forced-induction engines which can overcome those oxygen-starved environments much more easily.
Still, many truck owners still prefer the sound and feel of these big V8s over the smaller, turbocharged competition. For those folks, there really is no replacement for displacement.
2021 Ram 1500, 5.7-Liter Hemi V8:
Ram’s most potent engine choice, the 5.7-liter Hemi, simply cannot keep up with the more modern options offered by the other manufacturers. Producing 395 hp and 410 lb-ft of torque, this big V8’s specs would have been class-leading several years ago. (Bolding is mine)
So, realize that this truck is no slouch – it’s just not class-leading in 2021. Still, shoppers can’t help but notice when a manufacturer is lagging behind the field, and Ram will likely come out with some new engine options in the near future.
2021 Toyota Tundra, 5.7-Liter V8:
Anyone who knows Toyota knows they bank on one key feature: reliability. And the company’s approach to producing the most reliable vehicles possible often means not pushing the envelope when it comes to engine technology. In fact, the 5.7-liter V8 offered as the top powerplant in the 2021 Tundra is almost entirely unchanged since it debuted back in 2007.
It still puts out 381 horsepower to go along with 401 lb-ft of torque. Those were huge figures 12 years ago, but today they just can’t’ stand up to the competition’s best offerings. But if you are more concerned with reaching 200,000 miles and beyond than with 0 to 60 times, the Tundra is still a smart buy.
Heavy-Duty (3/4 And 1-Ton) Pickups
With a much smaller field, the heavy-duty market features just three real choices: Ford, Ram, and GM. Sure, GM technically produces two different models – the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra, we will treat them as the same truck because their mechanical specs are identical when it comes to their top-level diesel engine.
That doesn’t mean your choice will be much easier, however, as all of these trucks offer hugely powerful engines and historically high tow ratings. So, let’s find out where they all stand:
Torque Winner:
2021 Ram 2500 And 3500 HD
For 2021, Ram offers not one, but two diesel engines – a standard and a high-output version of the 6.7-liter High-Output Cummins Turbo Diesel I6 Engine. While the lesser of the two trails far behind the Ford and GM products, it’s the HO version we are interested in today. That’s because its 1075 lb-ft makes it the first truck to clear the quadruple-digit mark for torque.
While its 400 horsepower is last in class, torque is king when it comes to the heavy-duty game. That means the Ram can claim a class-leading 35,100-lb gooseneck/5th-wheel tow rating on properly-equipped trucks.
Horsepower Winner:
2021 Ford Super Duty (F250 And F350)
Power may not be as important to heavy-duty shoppers, but it’s still an important factor to consider. For those willing to deal with a “paltry” 1050 lb-ft of torque, Ford’s 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbo Diesel delivers 475 horsepower; more than any other truck in this class.
With plenty of power on tap for just about any occasion, Ford claims its heavy-duty offerings deliver customers the highest conventional (bumper) tow rating: 21,000 lbs. And it’s not far behind Ram with a 35,000-lb gooseneck rating, either.
Runners-Up
2021 Silverado/Sierra 2500 And 3500 HD:
So, we’ve come to the last-place finished for the heavy-duty power game. As you would guess, these GM trucks can barely pull a riding lawnmower. Just kidding, of course! Heavy-duty trucks are so competitive today that there is really no clear winner here.
With 475 hp and 910 lb-ft delivered by their 6.6-liter Duramax Turbo-Diesel V8 diesel, these HD trucks are nothing to sneeze at. And, while their maximum tow rating of 23,100 lbs falls well short of the astronomical 35,000-plus figures of the other manufacturers, it is still more than enough for most buyers.
Conclusion
After reviewing the power ratings for all half-ton and heavy-duty trucks, the main conclusion to draw has to be this: there has never been a better time to buy an insanely-powerful pickup. I mean, come one – 1,000 lb-ft of torque?!
Where are we going next?
I can’t predict the future, we sure seem to be spiraling towards 500-horsepower trucks and 40,000-lb tow ratings. And, whether you consider that a good thing or not, it does mean that today’s trucks are more capable of safely and competently towing and hauling than ever before. Just think about it – if your truck is rated to tow 35,000 lbs, how well will it pull your 12,000-lb 5th wheel? As for me? I will just sit back and watch this amazing power race with popcorn in hand..." (End of copied article)
Moparian
Ram Guru
So nothing official just speculation that's been around since the launch of the new F150. Not like FCA doesnt have more potent Hellcat motors to counter the Raptor R and could do so relatively quickly because they wouldnt have to crash certify it being the same basic motor unlike Ford. Help for the normal trucks is coming though in the form an a I6 with turbo(s). Probably late MY22 or MY23 at this point. Pretty sure it will debut in a Jeep or maybe the LX replacement first.
