2026 HEMI or Hurricane?

[silver billet]

Turbos on diesel trucks are the least problematic issues.

Yeah there are other issues plaguing modern diesels too, worse ones. But that's just another reason why simple old skool v8's are the king for reliability in the pickup truck segment. An engine like the ford 7.3 eliminates the need for something that would have been done by a diesel 15 years ago.

 

[Ramintime]

Yeah there are other issues plaguing modern diesels too, worse ones. But that's just another reason why simple old skool v8's are the king for reliability in the pickup truck segment. An engine like the ford 7.3 eliminates the need for something that would have been done by a diesel 15 years ago.

Since you keep mentioning Ford...how about all of those Ecoboost F150s out there with 200k miles on the original engine and turbos?

 

[silver billet]

Since you keep mentioning Ford...how about all of those Ecoboost F150s out there with 200k miles on the original engine and turbos?

How small FI gassers do you see in the heavy duty segment? Not a single manufacturer uses them there.

The argument is not that you can't find a high mileage turbo engine or that it's the wrong choice for every buyer in the half ton segment. The argument is: a simple old school NA v8 is on average, far more reliable and can survive a heavier duty cycle.

From there, we all make our own decision on what we value more (a preference). But the facts don't change.

Even in the heavy duty space guys are switching from diesels to the big gassers, not because they're more powerful but because modern diesels are in the shop more often getting stuff fixed for stuff like turbos and emissions. If you don't need the extra power, the safe bet is the v8.

And here in the 1500 we are extremely fortunate to still have access to an engine that was once used in that heavy duty segment.

 

[Mill72]

How small FI gassers do you see in the heavy duty segment? Not a single manufacturer uses them there.

The argument is not that you can't find a high mileage turbo engine or that it's the wrong choice for every buyer in the half ton segment. The argument is: a simple old school NA v8 is on average, far more reliable and can survive a heavier duty cycle.

From there, we all make our own decision on what we value more (a preference). But the facts don't change.

Even in the heavy duty space guys are switching from diesels to the big gassers, not because they're more powerful but because modern diesels are in the shop more often getting stuff fixed for stuff like turbos and emissions. If you don't need the extra power, the safe bet is the v8.

And here in the 1500 we are extremely fortunate to still have access to an engine that was once used in that heavy duty segment.

The emission equipment and fuel contamination on a modern diesel is number one or two with the most issues. Why people either ditch or purchase a gasser over diesel option $$$.

A modern tubo engine will last just as long as an modern N/A engine. The only moot point is the sound of a V8 over turbo engine.

 

[silver billet]

A modern tubo engine will last just as long as an modern N/A engine. The only moot point is the sound of a V8 over turbo engine.

This is factually incorrect.

 

[Mill72]

This is factually incorrect.

Meh….post facts or stick to your fake news.

 

[Ramintime]

How small FI gassers do you see in the heavy duty segment? Not a single manufacturer uses them there.

The argument is not that you can't find a high mileage turbo engine or that it's the wrong choice for every buyer in the half ton segment. The argument is: a simple old school NA v8 is on average, far more reliable and can survive a heavier duty cycle.

From there, we all make our own decision on what we value more (a preference). But the facts don't change.

Even in the heavy duty space guys are switching from diesels to the big gassers, not because they're more powerful but because modern diesels are in the shop more often getting stuff fixed for stuff like turbos and emissions. If you don't need the extra power, the safe bet is the v8.

And here in the 1500 we are extremely fortunate to still have access to an engine that was once used in that heavy duty segment.

There is one point here that I do agree with...running a turbo engine for constant heavy duty cycles is never a good idea and will affect long term durability requiring a more strict maintenance schedule to say the least. But keep in mind that you've been saying that the turbo engines are less reliable and the truth is...."reliable for what?". As a commuter that hauls once in a while, a turbo engine will last just as long as a V8. But if you're pulling over 10k pounds on a daily or weekly basis, you may end up having heat soak issues eventually compared to a V8. But when you keep bringing up the subject of 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks, those dont even compare and it doesnt make sense. You need to compare engines within the same segment.

 

[silver billet]

Meh….post facts or stick to your fake news.

Not my problem you can't read.

 

[silver billet]

There is one point here that I do agree with...running a turbo engine for constant heavy duty cycles is never a good idea and will affect long term durability requiring a more strict maintenance schedule to say the least. But keep in mind that you've been saying that the turbo engines are less reliable and the truth is...."reliable for what?". As a commuter that hauls once in a while, a turbo engine will last just as long as a V8. But if you're pulling over 10k pounds on a daily or weekly basis, you may end up having heat soak issues eventually compared to a V8. But when you keep bringing up the subject of 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks, those dont even compare and it doesnt make sense. You need to compare engines within the same segment.

You're mixing 2 different arguments. I never suggested the hurricane won't work for every person, or that somebody else bought the wrong engine.

However the fact remains, the hemi has a design that gives it its heavy duty cycle, and that's been proven not just by its design but by a decade of use in the 2500 segment, the hurricane does not have that design. It's a cheaper, light weight, passenger car engine, with a focus on performance/emissions.

Of course the 2500 comparison makes sense; we're making a direct comparison between two engines that either have been used, or cannot be used, in the 2500; the 2500 is the "torture test" that proves the point. It doesn't matter that you don't have a 2500, the 2500 is the test that proves one engine can do more severe duty cycle than the other.

It's like the J2807 towing standard. I'm not ever towing up the davis dam in the middle of summer, but the test is still a useful test and shines a spotlight on how well they complete that test in comparison to eachother.

Whether YOU need/want/appreciate that severe duty cycle ... different argument, personal preference, depends on your use case etc etc.

I have nothing against the hurricane, probably a ball of fun in the new charger.

 

[Mill72]

Not my problem you can't read.

I figured. Response back like a douch.

 

[silver billet]

I figured. Response back like a douch.

Don't get all pouty. I left like 15 replies on this thread and I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

[Mill72]

Don't get all pouty.

Again trying to be quick witted with response. It’s amazing how someone thinks their subjective opinion is facts. Cheers!

 

[CalvinC]

Since you keep mentioning Ford...how about all of those Ecoboost F150s out there with 200k miles on the original engine and turbos?

I think you were throwing this out in good faith, but just for a chance to stir the pot…

There are a crap ton of 200k+ mile first Gen 3.5 EcoBoosts out there now. Especially considering the oldest ones are 15 years old now. The most problem free examples seem to be the ones subjected to the most severe duty cycles/towing duties.

They seriously overdid it with the first Gen (2011-2016).

Then they took a fairly material reliability step backward while make a big capability step forward with the gen2 (2017-2020). Now the Gen 3 (2021+) is the best of both worlds, forges top to bottom, and a formidable competitor to do battle with the Hurricane. It will be fun to watch these platforms push each other, hopefully with consumer-benefiting results like Raptor vs TRX yielded.

As for the HD duty cycle argument, even to this day Ford puts the Gen1 3.5 EcoBoost into the HD Transit vans (2500 and 3500) -NOT the gen2 or 3, nor any other engine. They are admitting, imo, that the gen1 was the most bulletproof design. So that is an example of a small boosted 6 pot in an HD severe duty application for a serious length of production run time.

All that to say, I think a small turbo engine can be made to hit a variety of targets, including severe duty use. Whether that is or should be the target of the Hurricane or any other half ton engine remains to be seen…

 

[silver billet]

Again trying to be quick witted with response. It’s amazing how someone thinks their subjective opinion is facts. Cheers!

I'm not doing this with you.

 

[silver billet]

I think you were throwing this out in good faith, but just for a chance to stir the pot…

There are a crap ton of 200k+ mile first Gen 3.5 EcoBoosts out there now. Especially considering the oldest ones are 15 years old now. The most problem free examples seem to be the ones subjected to the most severe duty cycles/towing duties.

They seriously overdid it with the first Gen (2011-2016).

Then they took a fairly material reliability step backward while make a big capability step forward with the gen2 (2017-2020). Now the Gen 3 (2021+) is the best of both worlds, forges top to bottom, and a formidable competitor to do battle with the Hurricane. It will be fun to watch these platforms push each other, hopefully with consumer-benefiting results like Raptor vs TRX yielded.

As for the HD duty cycle argument, even to this day Ford puts the Gen1 3.5 EcoBoost into the HD Transit vans (2500 and 3500) -NOT the gen2 or 3, nor any other engine. They are admitting, imo, that the gen1 was the most bulletproof design. So that is an example of a small boosted 6 pot in an HD severe duty application for a serious length of production run time.

All that to say, I think a small turbo engine can be made to hit a variety of targets, including severe duty use. Whether that is or should be the target of the Hurricane or any other half ton engine remains to be seen…

HD Transit van? Those vans are about payload, it doesn't do severe towing. In fact it doesn't even tow more than a half ton.

 

[Mill72]

I'm not doing this with you.

Whew, ok! That cleared it up.

 

[BowDown]

Every hurricane thread, this tool shows up to tell everyone how bad the hurricane is and backs it up with hot air and smoke comparing 1500s to HD's while offering absolutely nothing constructive to the conversation.



Show me on the doll where the hurricane hurt you

 

[OkieDude]

I simply love my SST HO Longhorn Limited over my previous Hemi. Miss the sound but not enough to choose the Hemi over the Hurricane.

 

[Mr.Grid]

I’d be interested in hearing from the SO owners with the 3.92 diff that tows a 7,000# trailer 10k+ miles a year. Fuel milage, engine/ trans oil temps towing 65-70 mph.

 

[Ramintime]

Every hurricane thread, this tool shows up to tell everyone how bad the hurricane is and backs it up with hot air and smoke comparing 1500s to HD's while offering absolutely nothing constructive to the conversation.

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Show me on the doll where the hurricane hurt you

It should be..."show me the point of failure"