Hemi s Back

[cerbo]

https://www.autoblog.com/news/hemi-v8-returns-to-2026-ram-1500

 

[zlman]

E-torque only……have one, MGU failed. Won’t buy another.

 

[cerbo]

E-torque only……have one, MGU failed. Won’t buy another.

maybe this will help them have more generators on hand??

 

[Biga]

Kind of weird the Hemi Durango doesn't have the Etorque but the Ram does.

 

[zlman]

Ma

maybe this will help them have more generators on hand??

Maybe…..but really it’s a pointless system, adds complexity. I don’t want to deal with failures every few years for no value.

 

[StuartV]

Same motor as before. I think Stellantis is going to end up regretting this move.

It WAS the top dog in the RAM 1500 line-up. Now, it's going to be the 3rd strongest motor, out of 4 choices. And weaker than the Chevy 6.2.

I can't see sales of the Hemi being enough to bring it back for more than 2, maybe 3 years.

I had Hemis for 12 years. I had the Hemi because I wanted a RAM 1500 and the Hemi was the best motor option I could get (until I got a '21 EcoDiesel).

I can't see very many new RAM 1500 buyers choosing a Hemi over either of the SST motors. Only the REALLY old school, hard core V8-lovers. I bet most of the people lamenting the demise of the V8 will not buy a Hemi the next time they buy a new truck.

They will say stuff like "well, I would, but I really want the extra grunt of the SST for when I'm towing." Or, "I would, but I really need the better fuel economy while still having good towing capability." Or, "I would, but I really don't want to deal with exhaust leaks from cracked manifolds or broken bolts every 40K miles again."

RAM will sell a few, for a year or two, and then realize that it was mostly just talk when people whined about discontinuing the Hemi, and then they'll really discontinue it for good.

 

[BowDown]

Ma

Maybe…..but really it’s a pointless system, adds complexity. I don’t want to deal with failures every few years for no value.

I'd be willing to bet actual etoruqe failures are very low. I have 93K miles on mine and never an issue, I see more 4x4 failure complaints here than I do etorque failures/complaints

 

[StuartV]

I'd be willing to bet actual etoruqe failures are very low. I have 93K miles on mine and never an issue, I see more 4x4 failure complaints here than I do etorque failures/complaints

I think you are probably right.

But, I think the point was that - in your example - you might actually NEED 4x4. OTOH, nobody NEEDS eTorque. So, why have the extra expense, complexity, and additional failure points?

My '19 had it. I had that truck for 73K miles. The only issue I ever had was the standard Hemi exhaust leak at about 42K miles that was fixed under warranty, and then it sounded like it just started to have the exhaust leak again right when I traded it in.

eTorque never caused me any problems. But, did it REALLY do anything FOR me? I could never tell any difference compared to my previous truck (an '09 Hemi).

 

[CHeYeNNe71]

Bypass with Etorque. Lamest system behind the MDS.

 

[BowDown]

I think you are probably right.

But, I think the point was that - in your example - you might actually NEED 4x4. OTOH, nobody NEEDS eTorque. So, why have the extra expense, complexity, and additional failure points?

My '19 had it. I had that truck for 73K miles. The only issue I ever had was the standard Hemi exhaust leak at about 42K miles that was fixed under warranty, and then it sounded like it just started to have the exhaust leak again right when I traded it in.

eTorque never caused me any problems. But, did it REALLY do anything FOR me? I could never tell any difference compared to my previous truck (an '09 Hemi).

I get you and that's a valid argument. For me, I don't need or want 4x4 and etorque has improved my mpg in city driving with zero negatives. Moot point though as it's not an option for the Tungsten and 4x4 currently is and it (etorque) will be on the 5.7 in the lower trim trucks and again, no option to not have it; so moot point.

I'm not going to worry about the added complexity as that went out the window when they started using BCM's, TCM's and all the other "needed" systems in these trucks. To me, it's just one more system added to a truck with more electronics than the space shuttle

 

[stevieb92]

They should have delayed the re-introduction of the 5.7 Hemi a couple years until they were able to redesign the cam/lifters, redesign the exhaust manifolds, eliminate the MDS, eliminate e-torque and give it another 50 hp. I love mine, but crossing my fingers for a long life out of it. Just my $.02.

 

[SD Rebel]

Same motor as before. I think Stellantis is going to end up regretting this move.

It WAS the top dog in the RAM 1500 line-up. Now, it's going to be the 3rd strongest motor, out of 4 choices. And weaker than the Chevy 6.2.

I can't see sales of the Hemi being enough to bring it back for more than 2, maybe 3 years.

I had Hemis for 12 years. I had the Hemi because I wanted a RAM 1500 and the Hemi was the best motor option I could get (until I got a '21 EcoDiesel).

I can't see very many new RAM 1500 buyers choosing a Hemi over either of the SST motors. Only the REALLY old school, hard core V8-lovers. I bet most of the people lamenting the demise of the V8 will not buy a Hemi the next time they buy a new truck.

They will say stuff like "well, I would, but I really want the extra grunt of the SST for when I'm towing." Or, "I would, but I really need the better fuel economy while still having good towing capability." Or, "I would, but I really don't want to deal with exhaust leaks from cracked manifolds or broken bolts every 40K miles again."

RAM will sell a few, for a year or two, and then realize that it was mostly just talk when people whined about discontinuing the Hemi, and then they'll really discontinue it for good.

Not that much different than Ford's rather successful line-up. The 5.0L Coyote is not the top of the pecking order either, it's there as the engine for people who must have a V8 option, making up probably 25% or less of their sales. But Ford understands that more traditional buyers need to have options or risk losing sales to those that have them, hence RAM in 2025.

However, I suspect with RAM's fanbase, the Hemi will likely be 50% if not higher take up. The 5.7L Hemi is in the middle of the power range in comparison their GM and Ford competitors. More powerful than GMs 5.3L & Fords 2.7L Ecoboost, but less powerful than GMs 6.2L & Fords 3.5L Ecoboost.

The S.O. Hurricane isn't that much more powerful than the 5.7L, with only slightly better towing and similar real world mpg, lots of potential owners will take the V8 over it just for the sound. The H.O. is rare in the lineup, not really a consideration due to sheer cost of the trims available to get that motor.

 

[wvinson]

The SO hurricane has a good bit more torque than the hemi -- and it just feels so much quicker and more responsive. The Hemi is very sluggish in my opinion, especially when downshifting under 50mph

 

[firecadet613]

Aren't more options a good thing? As said above, Ford sells a bunch of V8s as does GM. Now Ram will be an option for the V8 buyers.

I'll never own a Hemi with the eTorque, but it'll be a few years before I'm looking for a new truck.

By then I bet the '25 teeth issues are all figured out (one would hope the '26 is G2G), worst case can GM fix their 6.2 issue?

 

[SD Rebel]

The SO hurricane has a good bit more torque than the hemi -- and it just feels so much quicker and more responsive. The Hemi is very sluggish in my opinion, especially when downshifting under 50mph

Totally agree, in fact I said when I first got my Hemi, I was sure that my 2.7L EcoBoost actually got off the line better, though a lot of that happens to be the throttle calibration.

But the V8 has its own characteristics, such as actually having character, still has good power, and generally at least in theory likely better long-term durability, the hurricane we just don't know yet.

Even if we assume equal durability and longevity, I rather like the sound and feel of a V8. That half second 0 to 60 time I can live with.

But that's my own personal preference, the great thing is we all have choice now.

 

[BowDown]

Not that much different than Ford's rather successful line-up. The 5.0L Coyote is not the top of the pecking order either, it's there as the engine for people who must have a V8 option, making up probably 25% or less of their sales. But Ford understands that more traditional buyers need to have options or risk losing sales to those that have them, hence RAM in 2025.

However, I suspect with RAM's fanbase, the Hemi will likely be 50% if not higher take up. The 5.7L Hemi is in the middle of the power range in comparison their GM and Ford competitors. More powerful than GMs 5.3L & Fords 2.7L Ecoboost, but less powerful than GMs 6.2L & Fords 3.5L Ecoboost.

The S.O. Hurricane isn't that much more powerful than the 5.7L, with only slightly better towing and similar real world mpg, lots of potential owners will take the V8 over it just for the sound. The H.O. is rare in the lineup, not really a consideration due to sheer cost of the trims available to get that motor.

470 vs 410 tq is indeed a significant power improvement and something you'll definitely feel in a truck. The HP is that different but HP is for people that dont know. Torque is what's really doing the work and king

 

[SD Rebel]

470 vs 410 tq is indeed a significant power improvement and something you'll definitely feel in a truck. The HP is that different but HP is for people that dont know. Torque is what's really doing the work and king

Absolutely, I didn't say it wasn't, but half a second 0 to 60 time isn't that big a deal for me, especially when I look at other variables that I find more interesting or better in the long term with a naturally aspirated V8.

As for towing, they both have enough torque to tow almost the same weight, give or take a couple hundred pounds.

I guess we'll see how the sales go and the next couple years with the DT RAM.

Again, with practically the same tow capacity, practically the same MPG, I just don't see the Hemi not outselling the Hurricane with Rams historical fan base.

 

[RAL]

The hemi is back because Tavares was too much of a European to see that a significant chunk of the customer base that buys pickups wants a V8, and no doubt this is also what the dealers were saying. The hurricane SO and HO are fine motors - I actually think they are world class on the same order as the BMW B58 if not better - but there is a cultural aspect here - a lot of truck buyers want a V8 and without it, they won’t buy the truck.

For me, if I were buying my ‘20 all over again, it would be a tough call between the SO hurricane and the hemi, but since I am more driven by engineering and numbers than the ethos of needing a V8, I would probably take the hurricane, particularly if I could get the discounts being offered now on them. But overall I am happy that we are not being forced to sacrifice V8s on the alter of more extremist environmental / EPA nonsense.