HEMI coming back to RAM 1500?!

[SD Rebel]

I would love to see a V8 hemi back in 1500. Better yet, a 6.4 than a 5.7. I’d much rather have a large displacement naturally aspirated engine in a truck than a highly strung small displacement turbocharged engine. Get rid of pointless etorque and the start stop system. It saves absolutely minimal amount of fuel and is not at all financially viable. It costs more money to build it than it would save on fuel over 250k miles.
The current 3.0 twin turbo hurricane is great on paper but it is way over stressed already. If look at the quick back of the napkin calculation it makes 420/3 =140 hp per liter. This is way more than Fords ecoboost or GMs 2.7 4 cylinder mill. The HO version is even more stressed 540/3=180 hp per liter. If you plan on making any sort of modding or tuning, there is pretty much no safety margin left , it will not last long. Let’s see how long will the bearings, seals and gaskets last on those hurricanes.

The Ecoboost 3.5L makes 400 hp / 500 lb-ft, while the Hurricane S.O. makes 420 hp / 469 lb-ft. The difference is 20 hp more for the Hurricane, but 31 lb-ft more torque for the Ford. In terms of engine wear, I read that higher torque has more effect on engine wear over time than higher hp. That would be 156 lb-ft per liter for the Hurricane and 143 lb-ft per liter for the Ford. That's only about a 9% difference. Factor in the Hurricane has a more naturally balanced inline configuration.

In the end, I would be more concerned about the quality of the turbochargers used, how they are cooled and their durability over the engine itself. If I was to choose between the Ford 3.5L, Hurricane 3.0L or the Toyota 3.5L, all six banger twin turbos, I would prefer the Hurricane. This is assuming they fixed all the misfire bugs it's currently enjoying.

 

[PurpleRT]

Personally when I vehicle shop. I shop for the long term think 100k+ miles. Even if I get the itch to get something else before then. I know some people got the itch to upgrade every few years to keep up with the Joneses. I never been that kind of person so longevity is something I always keep in mind. As well as simplicity. Factory warranties don’t mean crap if after 60k you are on your own as well dealing with the mercy of awful dealerships or waiting months for parts to be available then putting your fate in a mechanic that hopefully isn’t burnt out and still cares about doing quality work. Guess I’m stuck with Dinosaur motors lol. With the increase cost of MSRP, increase cost using in using 89+ > 87, not much better MPG…. Yeah the I6 is a pass for me lol even with the additional 100+hp that let’s be honest most won’t be maximizing in real world everyday life.


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[humahuma2000]

This makes me wonder, if we'll see more discounts on the Hurricane once the Hemi is officially announced. There are plenty of hesitant buyers considering the former but who would absolutely take the latter, given the option. Which should reduce demand for the boosted engines, already overstocked, even further. I'm in the market now but maybe I should wait until a month or 2 after the announcement.

 

[PurpleRT]

Options…give buyers options and let them decide for themselves. One thing I command Ram for doing is as best as I can recall when the Hemi, Pentastar, Ecodiesel (sort of) was offered they all shared similar parts despite different powertrains. I think that made it easier to offer more than one powertrain option.

Not sure if GM outside of the LS based engine has been able to do that as well or Ford from the Ecoboost to 5.0 etc.

Offer the I6 as any option both the HO and SO, then the Hemi etc and don’t make the additional up charge something ridiculous like the IIRC almost 10k going from the 6.4 up to a Cummins.


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[HemiDude]

Offer the I6 as any option both the HO and SO, then the Hemi etc and don’t make the additional up charge something ridiculous

This is the thing. HO and SO choices are fine, Tradesman model would probably benefit most from bringing back a less expensive V8. The price of new "work trucks" is ridiculous, and the additional cost of the new I6 engine along with its requisite electronics doesn't mesh with the spirit of the Tradesman or base Big Horn. Its obviously cheapest to breathe life into the old 5.7, or even tap into the 6.4 many of us have clamored for for years, and that would still buy Ram time to develop a viable V8 replacement.

 

[CalvinC]

It’s silly to go fast in a truck. Even look at the TRX and Raptor R and consider:

- neither comes with upgraded brakes
- both have tires poorly suited to spirited driving
- many cars and EVs are faster still than either for less money to acquire and operate.

Still, I’m glad they exist because a free market answers all questions conclusively. And it is fun, to be sure.

But after making my truck go fast, I eventually realized this is not the way for a truck. It just made me want a fast car. More power exposed more weak points in the chassis, from tires to suspension to brakes etc. money pit!

I reckon many Hurricane owners are enjoying the novelty as I did for a few years. Then they’ll want a return to V8, and Ram would be wise to have an option awaiting their return.

 

[ramhouston]

The Hemi coming back will likely be a limited option, specifically in the more basic trims (as per Mopar Insider), it will fit below both the Hurricane SO & HO in terms of price and hierarchy within the engine lineup.

Options…give buyers options and let them decide for themselves. One thing I command Ram for doing is as best as I can recall when the Hemi, Pentastar, Ecodiesel (sort of) was offered they all shared similar parts despite different powertrains. I think that made it easier to offer more than one powertrain option.

Not sure if GM outside of the LS based engine has been able to do that as well or Ford from the Ecoboost to 5.0 etc.

Offer the I6 as any option both the HO and SO, then the Hemi etc and don’t make the additional up charge something ridiculous like the IIRC almost 10k going from the 6.4 up to a Cummins.

This is the thing. HO and SO choices are fine, Tradesman model would probably benefit most from bringing back a less expensive V8. The price of new "work trucks" is ridiculous, and the additional cost of the new I6 engine along with its requisite electronics doesn't mesh with the spirit of the Tradesman or base Big Horn. Its obviously cheapest to breathe life into the old 5.7, or even tap into the 6.4 many of us have clamored for for years, and that would still buy Ram time to develop a viable V8 replacement.

here is an update

 

[PurpleRT]

I won’t hold my breath until I hear it from a credible source and not just another guy with a camera and youtube channel lol maybe I’ll watch it if I get bored. Knowing Stellantis they’ll limit it to certain trim models and force you to pay more and go up or down in trim level to be able to get it.

Personally Id be happy with a Big Horn or another Laramie.. Limited or Tungsten is just to nice for me for my worktruck lol.


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[boogielander]

It’s silly to go fast in a truck. Even look at the TRX and Raptor R and consider:

- neither comes with upgraded brakes
- both have tires poorly suited to spirited driving
- many cars and EVs are faster still than either for less money to acquire and operate.

Still, I’m glad they exist because a free market answers all questions conclusively. And it is fun, to be sure.

But after making my truck go fast, I eventually realized this is not the way for a truck. It just made me want a fast car. More power exposed more weak points in the chassis, from tires to suspension to brakes etc. money pit!

I reckon many Hurricane owners are enjoying the novelty as I did for a few years. Then they’ll want a return to V8, and Ram would be wise to have an option awaiting their return.

both TRX and Raptor R are for desert play, which can benefit from the upgraded suspension and the big power. braking is although important, but not as top priority as suspension while down in Baja.
both TRX and Raptor/ Raptor R are also not for spirited pavement driving, that's why they come with AT tires.

that proves my point that i was making a few posts above lol

 

[CalvinC]

both TRX and Raptor R are for desert play, which can benefit from the upgraded suspension and the big power. braking is although important, but not as top priority as suspension while down in Baja.
both TRX and Raptor/ Raptor R are also not for spirited pavement driving, that's why they come with AT tires.

that proves my point that i was making a few posts above lol

I hear ya for sure, its just that.... all those TRXs and Raptors I see everywhere around me every day can't all be on their way to the desert all the time... can they?

That's why if it should ever come around, I'm so down for a big-power street truck with that application in mind. We've seen the renderings... lowered TRX, shed some LBs from using a regular frame, awd, add in big brakes, good suspension (for the road not dessert), tires....

 

[boogielander]

I would love to see a V8 hemi back in 1500. Better yet, a 6.4 than a 5.7. I’d much rather have a large displacement naturally aspirated engine in a truck than a highly strung small displacement turbocharged engine. Get rid of pointless etorque and the start stop system. It saves absolutely minimal amount of fuel and is not at all financially viable. It costs more money to build it than it would save on fuel over 250k miles.
The current 3.0 twin turbo hurricane is great on paper but it is way over stressed already. If look at the quick back of the napkin calculation it makes 420/3 =140 hp per liter. This is way more than Fords ecoboost or GMs 2.7 4 cylinder mill. The HO version is even more stressed 540/3=180 hp per liter. If you plan on making any sort of modding or tuning, there is pretty much no safety margin left , it will not last long. Let’s see how long will the bearings, seals and gaskets last on those hurricanes.

As great as the Hurricane is on paper stat wise (besides the MPG), they just haven’t been out long enough to really test the durability (yes even in the Wagoneer blah blah) and most everything runs good when new buts let see in the long run…100K+ mark. Yea the Hemi is a dinosaur but let’s be honest with a little bit of research you can pretty much figure out what the common issues are and fix.. part availability will probably an issue with the I6 and last I heard they still haven’t figure out the whole misfire issue (its been how long now) but I guess its something as a new owner you’re gotta deal with.

LS have been around for quite sometime and I dont hear folks complaining about them being old but I guess it’s a Hemi thing.

Ive said it before.. had the 6.4 been an option in the 1500 I would have spent the extra money even if that meant dropping down trim packages to stay in budget. Mostly for the better low end torque since at the time I had the thought of getting a trailer travel to use on the road for work and get away from the whole hotel thing but I about talked myself out of that.

Next truck depending on my needs then may very well be a 2500 w/ the 6.4. Skip the diesel and diesel problems and additional cost and skips the Etorque crap that guys got scammed on buying into.


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6.4s are in the HD lineup. i think that's how Ram differentiate trucks. big engine for big heavy duty trucks, smaller engine for our trucks.
next truck i'm definitely going with a 2500 with 6.4 not because for the power gain, but for the solid axle (better crawling), better aftermarket support for go-fast-on-dirt parts due to higher demand for legit stuff (hell, 6 years after DT came out and there's no LT... because not enough demand)
people always look to the ecoboost and say it's better than the ford v8, but one thing they don't say is... cam phasers.

people complaining about Hemi being old are not a hemi thing, but a community thing. Ram made the DT truck way too nice and comfortable and attract all kinds of tech bros that don't know a thing about truck ownership and what trucks are supposed to do. Those who actually use the trucks to haul, go places (ie: wheel or go far off the grid), and for work appreciate the reliable hemi (reliable as long as the engine is taken care of). We don't go look for the next newest thing to be impressed, and we don't go look for ways to reinvent the wheel. Then other than the tech bros, there's the speed demon who want to go fast but cannot afford a car that is designed to go fast, and fail to understand that "going fast" is not just engine only. Those clueless ones are the ones looking for the next new thing that lets them squeeze out power with minimal work, with no regard to long term reliability and fail to understand that every vehicle has its place and that there's no one vehicle that does it all.

there, i said what i said. cue the tech bros and speed demons to respond angrily LOL

 

[boogielander]

I hear ya for sure, its just that.... all those TRXs and Raptors I see everywhere around me every day can't all be on their way to the desert all the time... can they?

That's why if it should ever come around, I'm so down for a big-power street truck with that application in mind. We've seen the renderings... lowered TRX, shed some LBs from using a regular frame, awd, add in big brakes, good suspension (for the road not dessert), tires....

they probably go to "mexico" a lot
but most people buy those as status symbols... which i don't associate myself with lol
i know i'm not for everyone and i'm ok with it (my friend and i were just having this conversation the other day lol i called him out many times and i always turned out to be right)

now, if they brought SRT10 type of builds... oh snap!

 

[ramhouston]

I won’t hold my breath until I hear it from a credible source and not just another guy with a camera and youtube channel lol maybe I’ll watch it if I get bored. Knowing Stellantis they’ll limit it to certain trim models and force you to pay more and go up or down in trim level to be able to get it.

Personally Id be happy with a Big Horn or another Laramie.. Limited or Tungsten is just to nice for me for my worktruck lol.


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believe it or not, he's actually had an accurate track record of relaying news to the public.

 

[1791]

I won’t hold my breath until I hear it from a credible source and not just another guy with a camera and youtube channel lol maybe I’ll watch it if I get bored. Knowing Stellantis they’ll limit it to certain trim models and force you to pay more and go up or down in trim level to be able to get it.

Personally Id be happy with a Big Horn or another Laramie.. Limited or Tungsten is just to nice for me for my worktruck lol.


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well the so called inside info claims the 5.7 will be offered in the tradesman and the bighorn, that actually makes sense guy's wanting a work would much rather a V8 than a V6 or a turbo motor.
i was surprised to see 703,0323 units in 2019 for the ram are huge sales numbers in today's market and the most units sold in a 20 year span.
i don't care TK's garage but for this Canadian guy has good info. take a few minutes and check it out

 

[1791]

the good old days lol. two of the best commercials EVER!

 

[PurpleRT]

I’ll check it out. I tend to avoid youtube for all the clickbait videos and like/subscribe creators it’s hard to find someone that puts out accurate information.


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[ramhouston]

well the so called inside info claims the 5.7 will be offered in the tradesman and the bighorn, that actually makes sense guy's wanting a work would much rather a V8 than a V6 or a turbo motor.
i was surprised to see 703,0323 units in 2019 for the ram are huge sales numbers in today's market and the most units sold in a 20 year span.
i don't care TK's garage but for this Canadian guy has good info. take a few minutes and check it out

tk garage isn't god i get it, but the man does have a positive track record for being accurate with news to the public.

 

[SD Rebel]

tk garage isn't god i get it, but the man does have a positive track record for being accurate with news to the public.

He's got in a bit click bated recently, though I agree he's generally pretty accurate.

 

[silver billet]

6.4s are in the HD lineup. i think that's how Ram differentiate trucks. big engine for big heavy duty trucks, smaller engine for our trucks.
next truck i'm definitely going with a 2500 with 6.4 not because for the power gain, but for the solid axle (better crawling), better aftermarket support for go-fast-on-dirt parts due to higher demand for legit stuff (hell, 6 years after DT came out and there's no LT... because not enough demand)
people always look to the ecoboost and say it's better than the ford v8, but one thing they don't say is... cam phasers.

people complaining about Hemi being old are not a hemi thing, but a community thing. Ram made the DT truck way too nice and comfortable and attract all kinds of tech bros that don't know a thing about truck ownership and what trucks are supposed to do. Those who actually use the trucks to haul, go places (ie: wheel or go far off the grid), and for work appreciate the reliable hemi (reliable as long as the engine is taken care of). We don't go look for the next newest thing to be impressed, and we don't go look for ways to reinvent the wheel. Then other than the tech bros, there's the speed demon who want to go fast but cannot afford a car that is designed to go fast, and fail to understand that "going fast" is not just engine only. Those clueless ones are the ones looking for the next new thing that lets them squeeze out power with minimal work, with no regard to long term reliability and fail to understand that every vehicle has its place and that there's no one vehicle that does it all.

there, i said what i said. cue the tech bros and speed demons to respond angrily LOL

While I might not agree 100%, I think you nailed it pretty well. Guys who lease/trade trucks in every few years, guys who think fast is more important than reliability/cost, they're going to favour the hurricane.

Just saw a video the other day where a chrysler tech talks about the hurricane melting CC's. Not a quick/cheap fix on this either, they're not sure whether it's a flaw in specific converters or whether they just didn't expect those hot temps so much.

Also agree on the 2500, that's my likely next purchase, half tons are less and less capable for sustained work loads.

 

[Derholmz]

I wish Ram the very best with the Hurricane and all that purchase them, but perhaps they have understood that there is still a huge market for folks not ready to step out in faith that easily. Including me. I just happen to love the Mopar natural breathers. I have had a 225 slant-six in a Dodge Dart, a slant six-in a Dodge Step-side, a 340 Duster, a 318 in an 88 RamCharger, a 360 in my 96 Dodge 1500 (still going strong) and now this recent 5.7 Hemi. Hank Jr. said it best "I am into basics and I don't like fads". But I promise I'll give that Hurricane a thumbs up when it passes me!