Mopar Performance CAI and off road use?

[YourDad]

I have no reason to explain myself to you. Besides...I've used the RAM air intakes, cold air intakes and I tried the Vararam on my charger RT because certain (less-than-competent) people kept raving about it. My biggest problem with it was that it's oiled. Honestly. After about a week of using it... damn thing kept throwing up codes from the MAP sensor. But you can't sit there and say that your filter is perfectly clean after xxxxx miles and claim that it's taking in more air than stock....doesn't make any sense. Think about it. Better throttle response...sure. Guaranteed 30hp gain? Doubtful.

I never said my filter is perfectly clean after xxxxx miles. In fact, it’s starting to show signs of use. Not to the point that it needs cleaning, but it doesn’t look brand new anymore. Of course it’s taking in more air than a stock air box, not sure why you disagree with that. I also never said “guaranteed 30hp gain”. The fact of the matter is, it’s a huge ****ing filter. Way bigger than cone shaped filters. It also has ram air (no pun intended). It is going to increase air intake more than an air box and more than the mopar thing. Like all mods, a proper tune is what is going to give the gains.
You don’t need to explain yourself. I value Matt of Moe’s Performance’s opinion more than yours and I believe most if not everyone will feel the same.

 

[PowerJrod]

I never said my filter is perfectly clean after xxxxx miles. In fact, it’s starting to show signs of use. Not to the point that it needs cleaning, but it doesn’t look brand new anymore. Of course it’s taking in more air than a stock air box, not sure why you disagree with that. I also never said “guaranteed 30hp gain”. The fact of the matter is, it’s a huge ****ing filter. Way bigger than cone shaped filters. It also has ram air (no pun intended). It is going to increase air intake more than an air box and more than the mopar thing. Like all mods, a proper tune is what is going to give the gains.
You don’t need to explain yourself. I value Matt of Moe’s Performance’s opinion more than yours and I believe most if not everyone will feel the same.

I do agree with the tune point you make. But go on Vararams website....their propaganda for their intake is absolutely rediculous. And I'm pretty sure it was you that made the claim that your filter looked practically new after like 10k miles....if it wasnt on this thread...then it was on another thread that was intake related. So don't change your story. And "Matt" is just another YouTube junkie that I don't ever need to watch...and trust me...most people on here would not agree with you lol. Go ahead and ask them.

 

[PowerJrod]

I never said my filter is perfectly clean after xxxxx miles. In fact, it’s starting to show signs of use. Not to the point that it needs cleaning, but it doesn’t look brand new anymore. Of course it’s taking in more air than a stock air box, not sure why you disagree with that. I also never said “guaranteed 30hp gain”. The fact of the matter is, it’s a huge ****ing filter. Way bigger than cone shaped filters. It also has ram air (no pun intended). It is going to increase air intake more than an air box and more than the mopar thing. Like all mods, a proper tune is what is going to give the gains.
You don’t need to explain yourself. I value Matt of Moe’s Performance’s opinion more than yours and I believe most if not everyone will feel the same.

Oh..and secondly...this thread is CAI and "off road use" meaning....not using an oiled filter. Duuuh. Do you have any idea how much crap gets stuck in a oiled filter when off roading which clogs it up..? My guess....no you don't. So spare me the "I know more than you do" crap...because you obviously are in the wrong thread for your claims.

 

[JordanS_2020RamBTSEdition]

I was looking at the Mopar CAI. Is it really worth the extra money over some of the other aftermarket CAI's out there? The mopar CAI is like $950 compared to other CAI's that run $200-$400.

 

[Dookie]

That is very subjective, but my opinion is hell no!

 

[RAM Patriot]

I was looking at the Mopar CAI. Is it really worth the extra money over some of the other aftermarket CAI's out there? The mopar CAI is like $950 compared to other CAI's that run $200-$400.

For more information this thread has about 34 pages..

Mopar’s “Ram Airflow” Cold-Air Intake System For Ram 1500:

Mopar’s “Ram Airflow” Cold-Air Intake System For Ram 1500: Ram's All New Intake, Where Is It? https://5thgenrams.com/mopars-ram-airflow-cold-air-intake-system-for-ram-1500/

5thgenrams.com

 

[SoCalBogey]

My Mopar Ramair intake showed up yesterday. I pulled the trigger mainly for two reasons.... first being I want to stick with all factory components on the power train. Second, the design of the new I take opens up the passenger side of the engine bay so I can fabricate a new tray for an AGM group 34 or 35 secondary battery for auxiliary stuff. If I get any mileage, throttle response improvement or power gains, that’s just icing on the cake.

 

[Sergeant Jim]

the Ram Airflow one used a "DRY" filter, I do not know about the older kit that removes the airbox and uses a cone filter.

 

[PowerJrod]

Here's a funny idea I had....what If I buy the Vararam intake setup (cheaper), throw away the filter ...and then buy a Mopar filter....put that on the Vararam...? Thoughts??? Would be cheaper but I don't know for sure that the Mopar Filter will fit on the Vararam...

 

[PowerJrod]

I was looking at the Mopar CAI. Is it really worth the extra money over some of the other aftermarket CAI's out there? The mopar CAI is like $950 compared to other CAI's that run $200-$400.

Tough call...you still retain the full warranty when you buy the Ram intake....plus it's a dry-flow....not some oiled POS lol.

 

[Dookie]

I and others popped the charcoal filter off of the top of the stock airbox, then dropped in a high-performance dry media filter of your choice (I chose AEM 28-20247), and call it a day. For ~ $45.00 versus $400 or $950, I'm very happy with that decision. I did notice a slight improvement in the way the truck performs, but I didn't do it going in thinking it would change anything, I did it because it was just time to change the filter and bought one I could clean and reuse. Anything more was lagniappe. My stock filter still looked clean at 13K miles, so I put it in the AEM box and stuck it on the shelf in the garage to pop in when I wash the AEM to let dry a few days before replacing it again.

 

[JordanS_2020RamBTSEdition]

Tough call...you still retain the full warranty when you buy the Ram intake....plus it's a dry-flow....not some oiled POS lol.

You should still retain the full warranty even with an aftermarket CAI that is not made by Mopar. Same with the exhaust. They can't force you to only use a Mopar service center for maintenance or only OEM parts. With things like a CAI or cat-back exhaust, Mopar would be hard pressed to prove that something from those aftermarket parts damaged the engine if you have issues and take it in for a warranty repair. I had the service manager at my dealership tell me I had to use a Mopar authorized service center and only the Mopar CAI if I bought one or it would void the warranty. I laughed at him and told him that the Federal law prohibits that and he then changed his tune.

I like the look of the Mopar Ram Airflow CAI and do agree that it could possibly be better because it was the same Mopar engineers who designed the truck that designed the CAI but at the same time, it was those same engineers who designed the stock air box and the stock exhaust that both suck! I am more curious to see if the Mopar CAI outperforms some of the other aftermarket CAI's.

 

[PowerJrod]

I and others popped the charcoal filter off of the top of the stock airbox, then dropped in a high-performance dry media filter of your choice (I chose AEM 28-20247), and call it a day. For ~ $45.00 versus $400 or $950, I'm very happy with that decision. I did notice a slight improvement in the way the truck performs, but I didn't do it going in thinking it would change anything, I did it because it was just time to change the filter and bought one I could clean and reuse. Anything more was lagniappe. My stock filter still looked clean at 13K miles, so I put it in the AEM box and stuck it on the shelf in the garage to pop in when I wash the AEM to let dry a few days before replacing it again.

I did the same thing with my Charger RT...never really noticed a difference, but also not sure if that AEM was letting in more dirt or not...since I live in the desert...it's a valid concern for me.

 

[PowerJrod]

You should still retain the full warranty even with an aftermarket CAI that is not made by Mopar. Same with the exhaust. They can't force you to only use a Mopar service center for maintenance or only OEM parts. With things like a CAI or cat-back exhaust, Mopar would be hard pressed to prove that something from those aftermarket parts damaged the engine if you have issues and take it in for a warranty repair. I had the service manager at my dealership tell me I had to use a Mopar authorized service center and only the Mopar CAI if I bought one or it would void the warranty. I laughed at him and told him that the Federal law prohibits that and he then changed his tune.

I like the look of the Mopar Ram Airflow CAI and do agree that it could possibly be better because it was the same Mopar engineers who designed the truck that designed the CAI but at the same time, it was those same engineers who designed the stock air box and the stock exhaust that both suck! I am more curious to see if the Mopar CAI outperforms some of the other aftermarket CAI's.

Actually we already debunked that myth in another thread....Mopars warranty info on their website clearly states that if a non-mopar aftermarket part causes secondary damage to engine, etc....they can absolutely refuse to cover that damaged engine because of the fault of a aftermarket part...and Federal law doesn't prevent them from doing that. Here's why....
Imagine if you said "no air filter means more air" and you drive around without any air filter....engine gets screwed up....would warranty still cover that engine? It's the same concept.

 

[PowerJrod]

You should still retain the full warranty even with an aftermarket CAI that is not made by Mopar. Same with the exhaust. They can't force you to only use a Mopar service center for maintenance or only OEM parts. With things like a CAI or cat-back exhaust, Mopar would be hard pressed to prove that something from those aftermarket parts damaged the engine if you have issues and take it in for a warranty repair. I had the service manager at my dealership tell me I had to use a Mopar authorized service center and only the Mopar CAI if I bought one or it would void the warranty. I laughed at him and told him that the Federal law prohibits that and he then changed his tune.

I like the look of the Mopar Ram Airflow CAI and do agree that it could possibly be better because it was the same Mopar engineers who designed the truck that designed the CAI but at the same time, it was those same engineers who designed the stock air box and the stock exhaust that both suck! I am more curious to see if the Mopar CAI outperforms some of the other aftermarket CAI's.

Here you go...here's the law from FTC website (screenshot). If a CAI causes any problems ...it will automatically considered defective.

 

[JordanS_2020RamBTSEdition]

Here you go...here's the law from FTC website (screenshot). If a CAI causes any problems ...it will automatically considered defective.

That is right, but the dealership has to prove that the part is what caused the issue. With a CAI or a cat back exhaust, they would be hard pressed to actually make that connection. Now if you decided to do something aftermarket with the fuel injectors or engine components, then that could open up the proverbial can of worms. I can't see how in any situation a less restrictive air intake or exhaust would lead to an engine malfunction. How would the CAI cause an issue? and in that screenshot you posted it also says "The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage"

 

[PowerJrod]

That is right, but the dealership has to prove that the part is what caused the issue. With a CAI or a cat back exhaust, they would be hard pressed to actually make that connection. Now if you decided to do something aftermarket with the fuel injectors or engine components, then that could open up the proverbial can of worms. I can't see how in any situation a less restrictive air intake or exhaust would lead to an engine malfunction. How would the CAI cause an issue? and in that screenshot you posted it also says "The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage"

All they would have to do is write out a report that says something like "upon review of engine failure, cause has been determined to be improper air filtering leading to engine failure due to excessive debris entering engine" super simple on their end.
That also answers your question though.... especially if its too much oil on an oiled filter...that can cause a whole slew of issues too. There wouldn't need to be an analysis report or anything....just a service techs report typed out on a laptop or w/e. If you want a CAI...go for it....but there's always a possibility of something going wrong and a possible warranty denial. And there is no argument of that. Period.

 

[PowerJrod]

That is right, but the dealership has to prove that the part is what caused the issue. With a CAI or a cat back exhaust, they would be hard pressed to actually make that connection. Now if you decided to do something aftermarket with the fuel injectors or engine components, then that could open up the proverbial can of worms. I can't see how in any situation a less restrictive air intake or exhaust would lead to an engine malfunction. How would the CAI cause an issue? and in that screenshot you posted it also says "The FTC says the manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage"

The other thing....define "show that the part is responsible" show how? A picture? A text document like I mentioned above? The term "show how" is open for interpretation and I guarantee that your interpretation is different from a service techs lol.

 

[JordanS_2020RamBTSEdition]

All they would have to do is write out a report that says something like "upon review of engine failure, cause has been determined to be improper air filtering leading to engine failure due to excessive debris entering engine" super simple on their end.
That also answers your question though.... especially if its too much oil on an oiled filter...that can cause a whole slew of issues too. There wouldn't need to be an analysis report or anything....just a service techs report typed out on a laptop or w/e. If you want a CAI...go for it....but there's always a possibility of something going wrong and a possible warranty denial. And there is no argument of that. Period.

You putting a CAI on your engine is not going to let extra debris enter the engine, that is why they have filters. I'm not talking about the outlandish thing where you had mentioned as a hypothetical situation of completely removing the air filter. Also if a CAI could damage your engine then why did Mopar release the Ram Airflow CAI? All I am saying is there are parts you can swap out and not have any affect on your warranty. If the dealership wants to give you a hard time and want's to grasp at straws for something to try to not pay for it just tell your service manager to read "Consumer Products Warranty Act of 1975 / the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" and then fill out their standard Survey they send you every time you visit them with negative remarks. You will have a phone call to you within 24 hours from a Mopar rep that manages the entire area who will bend over backwards for you. The "tech" at the dealership is not going to be the determining factor on if something is covered under warranty or not. I have been there and done that with my wife's car and ****ty service at a local Ford dealership's service department. You as a consumer have every right to take your vehicle to your preferred mechanic, to change your own oil, etc. If that warranty act was not in place then you would never see a single car that is still covered under warranty at any local mom and pop service centers or oil change places because the manufacturer would just say "well you didn't change your oil at our dealership and put money in our pockets so your warranty is now voided"

 

[PowerJrod]

You putting a CAI on your engine is not going to let extra debris enter the engine, that is why they have filters. I'm not talking about the outlandish thing where you had mentioned as a hypothetical situation of completely removing the air filter. Also if a CAI could damage your engine then why did Mopar release the Ram Airflow CAI? All I am saying is there are parts you can swap out and not have any affect on your warranty. If the dealership wants to give you a hard time and want's to grasp at straws for something to try to not pay for it just tell your service manager to read "Consumer Products Warranty Act of 1975 / the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act" and then fill out their standard Survey they send you every time you visit them with negative remarks. You will have a phone call to you within 24 hours from a Mopar rep that manages the entire area who will bend over backwards for you. The "tech" at the dealership is not going to be the determining factor on if something is covered under warranty or not. I have been there and done that with my wife's car and ****ty service at a local Ford dealership's service department. You as a consumer have every right to take your vehicle to your preferred mechanic, to change your own oil, etc. If that warranty act was not in place then you would never see a single car that is still covered under warranty at any local mom and pop service centers or oil change places because the manufacturer would just say "well you didn't change your oil at our dealership and put money in our pockets so your warranty is now voided"

What you're talking about is something completely different. You're talking about maintenance. I'm talking about aftermarket modifications. And yes...a highflow air filter will absolutely let more debris into the engine. That's already been proven...even the biggest fans of K&N and others will tell you that. (They will also say it's worth the risk but thats irrelevant). At the end of the day it comes down to risk....are you willing to take the risk or not? I personally won't risk it on a aftermarket brand...others might.