Why V8 Hemi is going away, interesting find!

[Jayrsingh]

Hey I came across this video where they explain why stellantis is doing away with the hemi, here is the link, I found this very informative! Check it out

 

[theblet]

interesting. The EPA carbon credit thing is such BS. EVs arent better for the environment just because they don't have a tailpipe. Stallantis is really screwing everyone since they bought into the climate crap.

 

[6of36]

interesting. The EPA carbon credit thing is such BS. EVs arent better for the environment just because they don't have a tailpipe. Stallantis is really screwing everyone since they bought into the climate crap.

It's the climate wackjobs that are screwing it up. Stellantis doesn't like CAFE standards either. I laugh when I read the posts about poor gas mileage with a Hemi.

 

[theblet]

It's the climate wackjobs that are screwing it up. Stellantis doesn't like CAFE standards either. I laugh when I read the posts about poor gas mileage with a Hemi.

You’re right. I guess no auto maker really likes CAFE

 

[jl13]

I had come across this info previously - what felt at the time and is probably correct - us, truck consumers are financing those teslas

 

[jimothy]

I had come across this info previously - what felt at the time and is probably correct - us, truck consumers are financing those teslas

As are taxpayers as a whole. CAFE credits allow Telsa to lower their sticker prices, and tax credits lower the actual price paid.

How many working class people do you know who drive an electric vehicle? Not many, I'll bet. I've ranted about this before, but the average EV driver likely is living in a house with a garage (as they need a place to charge it; an apartment or small house with street parking isn't likely to provide that), and has one or two ICE vehicles for when they need more range. So the working class are paying for upper middle class people's clean conscience and third vehicle. Brilliant policy.

 

[coosawjack]

EV's will KILL the industry!!

 

[SD Rebel]

The Hemi is just an old engine and Stellantis doesn't want to invest in future V8s unlike GM and Ford. Somehow, both GM and Ford, who are both higher level in small displacement ICE engines and hybridation are still going into the future with ICE V8s, while Stellantis doesn't want to invest the same way.

Its a big mistake for Stellantis. The "Hemi" is synonymous with the RAM brand, along with Chargers/Challengers, they should have invested in the next-gen V8 to meet regulations like Ford & GM are managing to do.

I can only assume they don't have the budget and they rather nip it in the bud now for the future instead of prolonging it a bit more.

 

[6of36]

The Hemi is just an old engine and Stellantis doesn't want to invest in future V8s unlike GM and Ford. Somehow, both GM and Ford, who are both higher level in small displacement ICE engines and hybridation are still going into the future with ICE V8s, while Stellantis doesn't want to invest the same way.

Its a big mistake for Stellantis. The "Hemi" is synonymous with the RAM brand, along with Chargers/Challengers, they should have invested in the next-gen V8 to meet regulations like Ford & GM are managing to do.

I can only assume they don't have the budget and they rather nip it in the bud now for the future instead of prolonging it a bit more.

They can't afford to keep the Hemi. CAFE standards require fleet average to be 49MPG by 2026. Stellantis paid over $1 billion in fines last year for not meeting last years standard. If you want to be able to continue buying a vehicle with a decent engine, contact your representatives, and tell them to stop crazy CAFE standards.

 

[Darksteel165]

If you want to be able to continue buying a vehicle with a decent engine, contact your representatives, and tell them to stop crazy CAFE standards.

Or just buy a Ford or Chevy which is what I and most others will be doing when my Ram gets old. One of the only reasons I got the Ram was a v8.
Service at Ram is just as bad as Chevy is which is the other reason I picked Ram.

Any companies that sell trucks but not as a v8 I wouldnt/don't even consider.

With Ram killing the Hemi those other brand look much more attractive considering Ram being near double the price of competitors who already have removed v8 as an option.

 

[wegasque]

They can't afford to keep the Hemi. CAFE standards require fleet average to be 49MPG by 2026. Stellantis paid over $1 billion in fines last year for not meeting last years standard. If you want to be able to continue buying a vehicle with a decent engine, contact your representatives, and tell them to stop crazy CAFE standards.

Unfortunately, the car manfacturers won't stop at this point, It's too costly to go backwards and if they did, then they would have to forego the CA market since their version of the CAFE standard won't change.

 

[6of36]

Unfortunately, the car manfacturers won't stop at this point, It's too costly to go backwards and if they did, then they would have to forego the CA market since their version of the CAFE standard won't change.

Fock Commiefornia. Let them all drive Tesla junk, and the sane people can drive good cars.

 

[SD Rebel]

Fock Commiefornia. Let them all drive Tesla junk, and the sane people can drive good cars.

CAFE isn't just California, it's the 17 States that make up CARB, which in turn make up 50% of sales and about 60% of the profit margin for manufacturers in North America. In reality, it's also the rest of the World, which are more closely in line with CARB to begin with, they rather keep technology & production in sync Worldwide. In short, manufacturers will do whatever CARB wants.

That being said, you have to ask why isn't GM or Ford having these issues? Ford we can understand since they have gone all in on smaller engine turbos, but GM is still big on their small block V8, and are investing in the future of the ICE V8. You want a V8 in the futures, it's going to be a Ford or GM.

It's more the lack of insight and planning that has put Stellantis in this situation.

 

[Biga]

I see more people buying HD's to get a V8 going forward even if they don't need the capability. So in essince forcing manufacturers to meet high CAFE standard will only cause more pollution as people take measures to get around it.

 

[tones2SS]

Or just buy a Ford or Chevy which is what I and most others will be doing when my Ram gets old. One of the only reasons I got the Ram was a v8.
Service at Ram is just as bad as Chevy is which is the other reason I picked Ram.

Any companies that sell trucks but not as a v8 I wouldnt/don't even consider.

With Ram killing the Hemi those other brand look much more attractive considering Ram being near double the price of competitors who already have removed v8 as an option.

I agree.

 

[6of36]

CAFE isn't just California, it's the 17 States that make up CARB, which in turn make up 50% of sales and about 60% of the profit margin for manufacturers in North America. In reality, it's also the rest of the World, which are more closely in line with CARB to begin with, they rather keep technology & production in sync Worldwide. In short, manufacturers will do whatever CARB wants.

That being said, you have to ask why isn't GM or Ford having these issues? Ford we can understand since they have gone all in on smaller engine turbos, but GM is still big on their small block V8, and are investing in the future of the ICE V8. You want a V8 in the futures, it's going to be a Ford or GM.

It's more the lack of insight and planning that has put Stellantis in this situation.

GM makes a bunch of little ****mobile cars to offset. People who buy from Stellantis, don't want those cheap garbage cars. I will never buy one.

 

[Darksteel165]

GM makes a bunch of little ****mobile cars to offset. People who buy from Stellantis, don't want those cheap garbage cars. I will never buy one.

How is that our fault?
No one told them to get bought out by Fiat.
Ram could just make EV cars to combat this instead. Make the cheapest crappiest EV of a normal size sedan and take that market share.

Or just keep making the Hemi along with their new 6 cylinder engine, crazy concept I know.
That would be right up there with the Ramcares survey on the 3 honks, they don't care what we want and they are too stupid to realize how much money they will lose when no one buys anything from them.

I would buy an experimental Tesla before buying a Charger EV.

Killing the Hemi is going to kill the brand, some people will still buy Rams but they are going to go out of business again.

 

[theblet]

it’s sad what’s happening to the auto industry. All this cafe stuff is BS

 

[Brutal_HO]

How is that our fault?
No one told them to get bought out by Fiat.
Ram could just make EV cars to combat this instead. Make the cheapest crappiest EV of a normal size sedan and take that market share.

Or just keep making the Hemi along with their new 6 cylinder engine, crazy concept I know.
That would be right up there with the Ramcares survey on the 3 honks, they don't care what we want and they are too stupid to realize how much money they will lose when no one buys anything from them.

I would buy an experimental Tesla before buying a Charger EV.

Killing the Hemi is going to kill the brand, some people will still buy Rams but they are going to go out of business again.

Ram is going to keep building HD's as long as they can continue to source the Cummins. Lots of truck owners are looking forward to the Hurricane as a gas replacement, and there's also the possibility the gas Cummins will land in the HD's.

 

[Darksteel165]

Ram is going to keep building HD's as long as they can continue to source the Cummins. Lots of truck owners are looking forward to the Hurricane as a gas replacement, and there's also the possibility the gas Cummins will land in the HD's.

People would say that about the regular hemi until very recently imo.