V8 is the only way to for me in a full size truck. Reliability and power. You can get horse power out of a power saw and high enough RPM but how long will it last?
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StuartV
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Reliability? I had an '09 Hemi and then a '19 Hemi. Between them, I put on 275,000 miles.
Between them, it was in the shop something like 7 or 8 times to have a cracked exhaust manifold or broken headers bolts fixed. After so many times of that on the '09, when I traded it for the '19, I thought "surely RAM has figured this out and fixed it by now."
At 42K miles, my 5th gen '19 needed the same repair. When I traded it at 73K miles (for an EcoDiesel), it had just started to sound like it needed the same repair again.
Hemi, reliable. LOL!!
Knock on wood, but I'm not too worried about my SST HO motor needing more trips to the shop than my Hemis did.
And power? Again, LOLOLOL!!! The Hemi is a dog. Gutless down low and not that strong on top.
The Hemi was great - when it was a new-ish, modern-ish design. But that was a LOONG time ago. And it hasn't been really updated since.
StuartV
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That is exactly the kind of thing haters say about Japanese sportbikes (aka crotch rockets).
And then it turns out that pretty much any of those bikes will go 100K miles with ZERO problems.
I used to have a buddy with a 1993 Honda CBR900RR. The engine was still going strong - and all original - at 250,000 miles. He still had the original clutch in it!
He finally retired it when he found a significant crack in the frame. And that was only after he collided with a bear cub that ran out from the side of the road one time, and another time when he got sideswiped by a car. He wasn't sure which thing ultimately caused the frame to eventually crack.
These types of comments come from people who don't know how engines work, or are just parroting what they have seen other ignorant people say about anything other than a V8.
yrralguthrie
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So a 6 cylinder diesel isn't a good engine for a truck?
StuartV
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I suspect he was really only talking about grocery-getters...
Im talking Gas.
I have had both and the V8 in Gasoline is my preference for the reasons stated. Damn its stunning how an bland comment of personal preference can get folks riled up! If you all love your V6, God bless you.
Sorry for you bad luck.
BowDown
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I've grown up around cars/performance cars my entire life up to today. 73 Charger that was 318 powered then later 360 then 440, 2.2 Turbo 2 Daytona, 96 Z28 and the current 2003 Z06. I've had 2 HEMI trucks and had no issues with either but I will be buying a Tungsten with the HO hurricane next time around. The rumble of a HEMI V8 wont make me keep choosing it, it doesn't have the low speed power it needs in this truck and the SST and the HO's low speed power is far superior to the HEMI. If they could get the 6.4 up to maybe 450 TQ with the bulk of that under the curve, it would be a huge improvement; still wouldn't be superior to either of the hurricane 6's but it would be better than it is now.
The thing I hate the most about the HEMI is its midrange just seems lazy, my 2.2 daytona felt stronger and was because of the low speed torque that boost makes. The Daytona was about 17 lbs per HP and the current HEMI Ram is around 15 lbs per HP yet the way it makes torque, feels sluggish. I don't expect the truck to be fast but how its drives could be made better with more TQ and the hurricanes solve that.
I can also work on cars whether it be a 2.2 turbo 4, V8 or the hurricane, modern tech wont change that. The HEMI gave dodge a much needed engine improvement in 2002 but it was still behind powerwise to GM and some Ford engines. What's disappointing is that 22 years later, it still is
The thing I hate the most about the HEMI is its midrange just seems lazy, my 2.2 daytona felt stronger and was because of the low speed torque that boost makes. The Daytona was about 17 lbs per HP and the current HEMI Ram is around 15 lbs per HP yet the way it makes torque, feels sluggish. I don't expect the truck to be fast but how its drives could be made better with more TQ and the hurricanes solve that.
I can also work on cars whether it be a 2.2 turbo 4, V8 or the hurricane, modern tech wont change that. The HEMI gave dodge a much needed engine improvement in 2002 but it was still behind powerwise to GM and some Ford engines. What's disappointing is that 22 years later, it still is
From you point of view, having plenty of high performance engines under your hoods, I get that. Trucks have been my vehicles since 1979 and I have had every configuration of gas engine. That said, I am overall happy with the 5.7 Hemi. Its quicker then the 5.3 GM engines I have had and the 5.4 Fords. To be honest, the quickest PU I ever had was a mid 70s Dodge D100 with a 318 and a Holly 600 4Barrel.
Who said anything about e V6?
BowDown
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I'm happy with the 5.7 as well given the current options when I bought BUT, it could be better with more low speed power. The low torque really hurts the performance of this engine in the truck; in the cars, it's probably doesn't drive the same but we are talking about a near 1-2000lb difference between the 2
StuartV
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Well then, be sorry for LOTS of people's bad luck. Besides all mine, my brother now has a '20 1500 w/Hemi. He's already had the leak once and his truck is still well under 100K miles.
It doesn't take much research to know that LOADS of people have had the Hemi exhaust leak.
You can rely on a Hemi alright... rely on it to spring an exhaust leak every 50K miles or so... LOL!!
My initial post was my preference of a V8 in a full size truck (gas) over a V6 (gas). Since that riled up a few. I assumed they loved their V6.
StuartV
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You think people are posting about loving a Pentastar motor over a Hemi?!?
BowDown
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I don't mean to offend but those that think the HEMI drives well and has plenty of power have never owned or driven anything with nice low speed power matched to the vehicle.
The 5.7 was the best thing Ram had for a truck engine that still allowed them to meet EPA requirements, that's it.
Those same requirements are why you won't see a larger engine in the 1500 or any SRT engine in the none special edition 1500s (TRX and similar}
The 5.7 was the best thing Ram had for a truck engine that still allowed them to meet EPA requirements, that's it.
Those same requirements are why you won't see a larger engine in the 1500 or any SRT engine in the none special edition 1500s (TRX and similar}
John Kloehr
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5.7 in my Rebel with the A8 and 3.90 axles spins the tires if I'm not careful with the gas pedal. Gearing makes a big difference in low-end torque.
Sure, not as torquey as my M6 6.4 Challenger with the same gearing and shorter tires, but I still get 18 mpg overall in the rebel.
Sure, not as torquey as my M6 6.4 Challenger with the same gearing and shorter tires, but I still get 18 mpg overall in the rebel.
As I mentioned before, we had the hurrricane HO in Grand Wagoneer L we rented for about two weeks last summer. Loaded with four people, three dogs, luggage and what not. I said it then and will say it again, and I would apply it to the SO as well having driven it - no one will miss the hemi if they have driven the hurricane. It is fair to wonder or be concerned about reliability in any new design, that doesn’t make the person expressing a desire for the older V8 crazy - it is that these things are known problems and so you can risk weight it to some degree. But new engines can have really bad unknowns - look at some of the early Toyota twin turbo sixes having to be replaced. I am happy for the return of the V8 because it was really only eliminated due to EPA but I also think the new hurricane motors, particularly if they got the quality right, are terrific - world class in fact. And, btw, after returning to my “old” V8 I still enjoy it tremendously. It has 50k now and hopefully it continues to hum along. I hope to drive it for many years and upgrade to a hurricane and then read online how the hurricanes are old school, etc. ;-)
Have a good day folks.
Have a good day folks.
BowDown
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Initial takeoff or the 1st 30 feet isn't what I'm talking about, the engine is lazy after the initial start and by lazy I mean requires more throttle than I think it should for mid range acceleration, 30-60,70 mph.
Full throttle, yeah, it'll move but it's requiring more throttle input because it lacks low speed power.
I guarantee you the hurricane twins don't have this issue
