I'll have to admit, I feel a bit left out of all these Hurricane discussions....but......

[HSKR R/T]

Nah, never really understood my Ferd F150 2.7 twin turbo. It had good power and got pretty good mileage, just suffered when it got older. Check out some f150 forums on the early 3.5 and 2.7 before they were improved.
Turbos are great on larger cid engines like say, semis.
Not a fan of small displacement 4 and 6 cylinder engines that have to be turboed to make enough power.
My neighbors 2024 Chevrolet Silverado 4 cylinder single turbo gets 13-15 mpg average cause he's always into it to get anywhere.
Theres a lot of things I don’t understand, and being old, I prefer old iron. I’ll let the younger folk enjoy the complexity of turbos and electric cars.

Turbos aren't complex. Simpler design than superchargers. And an engine designed for turbo use isn't "working hard" just because it's in boost. It's harder on a N/A engine to run high RPMs to make the power than a turbo engine.

 

[Willwork4truck]

Turbos aren't complex. Simpler design than superchargers. And an engine designed for turbo use isn't "working hard" just because it's in boost. It's harder on a N/A engine to run high RPMs to make the power than a turbo engine.

That does make sense yet why is there so much turbo servicing required when they age?
I suppose the turbo is just another component like any other accessory.

I'm from the big block lazy revving time when displacement was what you wanted and gearing did the rest.

Appreciate your response.

 

[CalvinC]

That does make sense yet why is there so much turbo servicing required when they age?
I suppose the turbo is just another component like any other accessory.

I'm from the big block lazy revving time when displacement was what you wanted and gearing did the rest.

Appreciate your response.

Really turbos just need good lubrication and they’ll live forever.

So keeping OCIs short and using quality oil prevents any issues well into triple digit mileage. In fact there really isn’t any servicing - it works or it doesn’t, in which case it needs replaced.

The biggest issue I see outside of bad oil change discipline (user error) is the oil and coolant lines running to the turbos could develop a leak, and replacing those lines is very involved. I’m hoping Ram did a good job with those connections.

 

[HSKR R/T]

That does make sense yet why is there so much turbo servicing required when they age?
I suppose the turbo is just another component like any other accessory.

I'm from the big block lazy revving time when displacement was what you wanted and gearing did the rest.

Appreciate your response.

What makes you think there is a lot of turbo servicing required? As Calvin said, use good quality oil and don't forget to change your oil and turbos will last as long as the engine. I know people with over 300k miles on factory turbo Dodge engines from the early 90s and still going strong.

 

[Willwork4truck]

What makes you think there is a lot of turbo servicing required? As Calvin said, use good quality oil and don't forget to change your oil and turbos will last as long as the engine. I know people with over 300k miles on factory turbo Dodge engines from the early 90s and still going strong.

Like you said, oil changes as well as turbo coolant.
The Ford oil change interval of 10K or when the service light comes on was inadequate and contributed to their demise.

A post from a moderator on the Ford-trucks.com said: “I have 9000 miles now and the oil life shows 40-50% (can't exactly recall..) but to me the oil looks terrible...”
It’s advice/recommendations like above that non-mechanic owners relying on, figuring that the Ford engineers “know best”. I was also told that turbos needed cool down time, and as a result Id never buy a lease return, due to not inowing how it was treated.

Another post on the 2.7 said: “18,000 miles. 2017 F150 ecoboost. In shop too. replacing both turbos. Smoke on start up, then goes away. Some time no smoke. Smoke color is dark.I don't think the shop knows what is going on, just getting direction from ford. I think the shop is trying hard, and pushed for replacement of turbos. They told me there are parts on backorder, and is an indication of more being replaced in the field..”

I just didn’t trust the turbos on my 15’ Ford to last and w/o an extended warranty decided to not take the chance. The newer version (2018 and up) had some improvements.

Just like any forum, if you dont read the threads then you remain “blissfully ignorant”. Once you start, then there’s always a wondering in the back of your mind.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Like you said, oil changes as well as turbo coolant.
The Ford oil change interval of 10K or when the service light comes on was inadequate and contributed to their demise.

A post from a moderator on the Ford-trucks.com said: “I have 9000 miles now and the oil life shows 40-50% (can't exactly recall..) but to me the oil looks terrible...”
It’s advice/recommendations like above that non-mechanic owners relying on, figuring that the Ford engineers “know best”. I was also told that turbos needed cool down time, and as a result Id never buy a lease return, due to not inowing how it was treated.

Another post on the 2.7 said: “18,000 miles. 2017 F150 ecoboost. In shop too. replacing both turbos. Smoke on start up, then goes away. Some time no smoke. Smoke color is dark.I don't think the shop knows what is going on, just getting direction from ford. I think the shop is trying hard, and pushed for replacement of turbos. They told me there are parts on backorder, and is an indication of more being replaced in the field..”

I just didn’t trust the turbos on my 15’ Ford to last and w/o an extended warranty decided to not take the chance. The newer version (2018 and up) had some improvements.

Just like any forum, if you dont read the threads then you remain “blissfully ignorant”. Once you start, then there’s always a wondering in the back of your mind.

RAM has a separate cooling system specifically for the turbos, with electric pump, that will continue to cycle the coolant, after you turn the truck off, until the turbos cool down. No worries about idling for turbo cool down before shutting off the truck.

 

[Willwork4truck]

RAM has a separate cooling system specifically for the turbos, with electric pump, that will continue to cycle the coolant, after you turn the truck off, until the turbos cool down. No worries about idling for turbo cool down before shutting off the truck.

Nice that they thought that one through.

 

[vdrsnk04]

These conversations always make me laugh people talking about all the massive amounts of problems a certain platform has. When in actual form it’s peanuts. If the majority of people on this forum had an issue with their hurricane versus the rest of the worlds hurricane owners having no issues this forum would think it was problematic when in reality it isn’t an issue least not in a big way.

Trouble free Grand Wagoneer hurricane owner for 2 years here.

It’s a great engine, as was the Hemi.

I will say though, GM is so far behind Ford and Ram now though. My word they needed to dump that 6.2 and 5.3 platform like 4 years ago. Jeez!

 

[silver billet]

I will say though, GM is so far behind Ford and Ram now though. My word they needed to dump that 6.2 and 5.3 platform like 4 years ago. Jeez!

GM has engine options that you can't get anywhere else. Their 3.0 diesel is pretty nice, and the 5.3 is a fuel sipping v8, whereas the 6.2 is the most powerful v8 and was chosen as the best engine for towing in a halfton by a recent review I watched (they chose the 6.2 over the HO hurricane for towing, the hurricane felt like it was working harder according to them).

The problem with GM's engines aren't the fact that they're v8s, it's that they have lifter issues they need to fix.

GM isn't going to be dropping v8's anytime soon, they recently recommitted to building their next gen v8s. Surprise, it seems there are many thousands of truck buyers who recognize the advantages and luxury of a good v8.

 

[HSKR R/T]

GM has engine options that you can't get anywhere else. Their 3.0 diesel is pretty nice, and the 5.3 is a fuel sipping v8, whereas the 6.2 is the most powerful v8 and was chosen as the best engine for towing in a halfton by a recent review I watched (they chose the 6.2 over the HO hurricane for towing, the hurricane felt like it was working harder according to them).

"Working harder" is very subjective, and seems more like an excuse they made up to just not like the Hurricane. Either that, or they just don't understand how the Hurricane works.

 

[Willwork4truck]

GM has engine options that you can't get anywhere else. Their 3.0 diesel is pretty nice, and the 5.3 is a fuel sipping v8, whereas the 6.2 is the most powerful v8 and was chosen as the best engine for towing in a halfton by a recent review I watched (they chose the 6.2 over the HO hurricane for towing, the hurricane felt like it was working harder according to them).

The problem with GM's engines aren't the fact that they're v8s, it's that they have lifter issues they need to fix.

GM isn't going to be dropping v8's anytime soon, they recently recommitted to building their next gen v8s. Surprise, it seems there are many thousands of truck buyers who recognize the advantages and luxury of a good v8.

GM seems to be having more problems with their 10 speed transmissions than their engines unless we're talking about the lifters.

 

[silver billet]

GM seems to be having more problems with their 10 speed transmissions than their engines unless we're talking about the lifters.

Anything's possible I guess, but from what I can see on their forums there are more people complaining about lifter failures. Even their 2.7 turbo has this issue to some extent though it doesn't use the same system.

 

[RedFred]

Anything's possible I guess, but from what I can see on their forums there are more people complaining about lifter failures. Even their 2.7 turbo has this issue to some extent though it doesn't use the same system.

My understanding is the 6.2 has a high rate of lifter failure. When I was looking at GMC I was told the 5.3 was the more reliable choice.

 

[silver billet]

My understanding is the 6.2 has a high rate of lifter failure. When I was looking at GMC I was told the 5.3 was the more reliable choice.

They're both the same far as I know; same design, same parts, same failure rates. It's the DFM system that is causing it. Their 6.6 in the 2500 is basically the same engine design, only with a strong cast iron block (like the hemi!) and no DFM, and that engine is pretty bullet proof.

 

[Pikeman_66]

I think I'll hang onto the 5.7 HEMI a bit longer

I have an HO in my limited and so far its been solid with no issues. I really like the engine to be honest. and all I have had for years has been chevy v-8s.
the one drawback I am not fond of is the 91 octane or above requirement. but other than that, it's a fun engine to run.

 

[Pikeman_66]

My understanding is the 6.2 has a high rate of lifter failure. When I was looking at GMC I was told the 5.3 was the more reliable choice.

take it from me the 6.2 gets horrible Gas milage not worth the power trade off between the 2. the 5.3 is a solid engine even with the lifter issues which I never had with the 3 different ones I had in the past. and it gets great fuel milage for what it is. I got 20 mpg with the 2021 I just got rid of for the Ram.

 

[Paul B]

I have an HO in my limited and so far its been solid with no issues. I really like the engine to be honest. and all I have had for years has been chevy v-8s.
the one drawback I am not fond of is the 91 octane or above requirement. but other than that, it's a fun engine to run.

There is a youtube with the Stellanta engineer saying that the HO can be run with a lessor octane. You just won't get the stated performance out of the engine.
He even states that the average driver will not notice the difference!
Paul B

 

[Pikeman_66]

There is a youtube with the Stellanta engineer saying that the HO can be run with a lessor octane. You just won't get the stated performance out of the engine.
He even states that the average driver will not notice the difference!
Paul B

I seen that interview, honestly I was going to try that, then all the guys here started posting they were having engine lights and rough Idles. so, I shyed away from that thought.
honestly a fun little engine to drive though the power is unbelievable.

 

[silver billet]

There is a youtube with the Stellanta engineer saying that the HO can be run with a lessor octane. You just won't get the stated performance out of the engine.
He even states that the average driver will not notice the difference!
Paul B

Nothing better for your engine than letting it thrash up against the knock sensors

 

[Paul B]

So...how does it square with the fact that SO engine has a 10.? Compression ratio and runs on regular gas and the HO engine with a lower compression ratio 9.? Needs 91 octane.
You would think the Stallantis engineer would broadcast that regulat octane would be a big no no on the HO??? When he states on YouTube for the whole world to see that the average person wouldn't notice the difference and didn't mention any adverse damage.
Paul B