Hurricanes

[BowDown]

I'll ask again...

The answer is, they are not! Stellantis got something wrong with the Hurricane in the Ram and have yet to come up with a resolution...

It's the same engine, most likely its a software issue as they likely don't use the same programming

 

[LOWRMPG]

Be it as it may, Stellantis still doesn't have a fix for it.

Not sure what you want them to fix, since there isn't really a problem.

 

[azzx]

Probably software -- and also complete rewiring of everything on the RAM.
Since the software engineering resources have been outsourced to Turkey, Morroco, and other places around the globe, don't hold your breath for quick fixes.
25 RAM has a completely revised wiring architecture.

 

[LOWRMPG]

Seems like some Wagoneers have similar issues

CHECK ENGINE LIGHT (CEL) ON, NOW WHAT?

www.wagoneerfans.com

 

[firecadet613]

How so?

The Wagoneer isn't throwing CELs like the Ram is...

Not sure what you want them to fix, since there isn't really a problem.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but tell it to the guys with 2025s that are parked at the dealer, awaiting a fix...

 

[LOWRMPG]

The Wagoneer isn't throwing CELs like the Ram is...

I don't have a dog in this fight, but tell it to the guys with 2025s that are parked at the dealer, awaiting a fix...

It's anecdotal, you see cars at a dealer waiting on service, where else would they be for service? Not an argument, just that is where I would expect someone to take a car under warranty. And the Wagoneer is having similar software issues.

 

[Jako]

It's anecdotal, you see cars at a dealer waiting on service, where else would they be for service? Not an argument, just that is where I would expect someone to take a car under warranty. And the Wagoneer is having similar software issues.

How long is acceptable to be parked at a dealership waiting for service, particularly under the manufacturer's 3 year warranty.
How much time to get the appointment?
My own experience reflects very poorly on Ram/Stellantis. and challenges any brand loyalty.

 

[HSKR R/T]

How long is acceptable to be parked at a dealership waiting for service, particularly under the manufacturer's 3 year warranty.
How much time to get the appointment?
My own experience reflects very poorly on Ram/Stellantis. and challenges any brand loyalty.

Dealerships are privately owned and basically only contract with RAM/Stellantis.

Seems most of the issues are just annoyance CEL and so actually effect being able to drive them. As far as how long is acceptable to sit at a dealership awaiting repair, your local lemon laws will answer that question

 

[Jako]

Dealerships are privately owned and basically only contract with RAM/Stellantis.

Seems most of the issues are just annoyance CEL and so actually effect being able to drive them. As far as how long is acceptable to sit at a dealership awaiting repair, your local lemon laws will answer that question

Acceptable time frame is the lemon law.
It's the dealership and contract, not Ram/Stellantis.

How about time for an appointment? Oops - dealership and contract.

Who supplies the parts? Who supplies the technology when the dealership can't solve the issues?

My own experience reflects very poorly on Ram/Stellantis and challenges any brand loyalty.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Acceptable time frame is the lemon law.
It's the dealership and contract, not Ram/Stellantis.

How about time for an appointment? Oops - dealership and contract.

Who supplies the parts? Who supplies the technology when the dealership can't solve the issues?

My own experience reflects very poorly on Ram/Stellantis and challenges any brand loyalty.

Go to any other forum for other brands and you will find similar stories.

 

[LOWRMPG]

Go to any other forum for other brands and you will find similar stories.

This! Some folks act as if this is unique for Stellanis, it isn't. ALL manufacturers have similar issues they can't seem to address. Mass produced items tend to have mass produced concerns. Now the issue should be how quickly the manufacturer moves to fix the concern, not the fact a concern exists. Jeep/RAM have been notorious, for decades, regarding software and electrical issues - it's a running joke in the Wrangler community along with 'death wobble' aka solid front axle life. It absolutely sucks for those impacted, but it isn't unique.

 

[Jako]

Go to any other forum for other brands and you will find similar stories.

Perhaps the complexity of today's vehicles has put a strain on service in the auto industry. From talking to several mechanics there is a lack of "new blood" in the auto service industry. Of the 4 establishment that I may use the age is 2 mid 50s, mid 60 and very early 70s.
I was under the impression that the dealership my Ram has been sitting for nearly 4 months (28th is my anniversary) had 40 techs. When I mentioned that he said he wished he had 40 as he has 27.

Not 100% satisfied with my local Honda dealership but a lot better than my Ram experience. Sister very happy with her Subaru. Living on an Island gives the auto dealerships some what of a captive audience and attitude, plenty of dealerships across the various bridges. Never bought a vehicle from any of them and even walked out of a Ford parts department as they closed for unknown reason during their open hours.

I have been thinking about a Ford Maverick, people who own them, who I have talked to, are very happy, pleased and impressed. Friend who uses one for his lawn service is purchasing another as his wife is very happy with the vehicle and will be used as the family car. BUT I am looking at the Honda Ridgeline also because of my experience owning Hondas even though I prefer the Maverick. Side note: Maverick I looked at has a 1500lb payload, my Ram I believe is 1800 + or - and has a 4,000 lb. tow, plenty for what I do. The seat height is perfect for a 69 year old (worn out joints) to enter and exit. And the MSRP is pretty much half of the big 3 depending on how they are equipped. The one I looked at was $35,455. The dealerships had the same story of how little they make and MSRP is the price except for one. Perhaps the 2025 models coming out, economy and rates are influencing his sales at this point.

I wish my experience with Ram service was better so that I would not even consider another brand.

 

[BowDown]

Lol, my wife has a Jaguar XF. I took it in for an oil change to Jaguar/Land Rover of Frisco; they made Ram service look like 5 star service. Everyone has questionable seems to have questionable service with the exception of Audi, at least not yet. Their service is great other than the upsale attempts.

I think the issue with "new blood" at service centers, I agree. Millennials' don't seem to want to work or work laborious jobs. They want to be SM superstars making 50K a month or have some exec job paying them 150k a year so no, there's little ne blood coming into service/labor fields, I see it in every every business

 

[DEG]

This! Some folks act as if this is unique for Stellanis, it isn't. ALL manufacturers have similar issues they can't seem to address. Mass produced items tend to have mass produced concerns.

Exactly, and forums like this tend to make many believe problems are bigger and more frequent than they are in reality because as soon as someone has a problem they run to the forums and create a post about it. However, the overwhelming majority who will never have the problem doesn't create posts about being problem free.

 

[Serpens]

So they aren't that good I hear. Hemi was better wasn't it? Cranking out 400+ or 500+ horsepower from a 3 liter six creates lots of heat. Who here has ever, ever heard of a 5.7 or 6.4 hemi overheating from a heavy load? Never. Hemis had 2 issues the exhaust manifold bolts and lifter failure if you idled it, for hours and hours. But you could put a beating on a hemi day in and day out. Not this Hurricane.

What a low effort **** post. I'm glad others have pointed out that the Hurricane doesn't have overheating issues. It actually performed best compared to the competition in TFL's towing torture test, as others have noted. It did have an oil temp warning that was a simple software calibration update that's now applied to models rolling off the assembly line.

You should listen to TFL's podcast with the lead Hurricane engineer: https://redcircle.com/shows/3526e66...episodes/a72db323-ca9a-4b9e-acfb-88796f5f4453

Are Wagoneers throwing CELs like Rams are?

They aren't now, but what some folks in here have missed is that the earliest Hurricane Wagoneers did throw misfire CELs too. They got software updates very early on that solved the issue.

 

[scj]

So they aren't that good I hear. Hemi was better wasn't it? Cranking out 400+ or 500+ horsepower from a 3 liter six creates lots of heat. Who here has ever, ever heard of a 5.7 or 6.4 hemi overheating from a heavy load? Never. Hemis had 2 issues the exhaust manifold bolts and lifter failure if you idled it, for hours and hours. But you could put a beating on a hemi day in and day out. Not this Hurricane.

Where are you getting your information? Not my experience at all!
91 degrees, towing 7500 pounds through rolling hills, cruise set at 66 mph. Would only lose 1 mph on the hills and shift down to 6th worse case. Shifts were butter smooth under load and if it weren’t for watching tach and gauges, I would have never known it shifted. No temperature issues.