First Oil Change, 1000 Miles or is this just Old Fashioned?

[arod412]

Personally, I don't see an issue with that. Definitely want to break the engine in. After the 500-1000 mile mark, then oil change. That's what I did as well.

For the most part, early oil change folks come from either just habit, worrying too much, and for older folks like me history of older engines compared to new engines.

2022 Ram Big Horn Back Country
2016 Dodge Charger scat pack
2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Sahara

 

[Idahoktm]

Ram even documents using a different oil from the factory they just don't say which. I don't recall if it was in the owners manual or elsewhere.
Someone just posted seeing high amounts of copper in their oil on the first change.

Do you lay in bed every night thinking everything is perfect?

I have been hearing this rumor for years on truck forums. It's no different on motorcycle forums. To this day, nobody has produced a document or any other proof to confirm this old wives tale.

 

[Darksteel165]

I did an oil analysis at my first oil change, which was 4,500 miles, after seeing the copper content from breaking in, I would have preferred to have done it earlier, maybe 1,500 miles.

Is it necessary? No, but I just want to do it, for $60 in supplies and 30 minutes of my time, I would.

Have the report to post?

 

[SD Rebel]

This is always a fun discussion, but in the end it probably doesn't matter in regards to the long-term durability of these engines. Is the $60 DIY ($100 dealer) cost to out of sync oil change.

Have the report to post?

Sure, I'll post when I get a chance, I'm out in the field and I want to edit my personal info before I post it online.

 

[SD Rebel]

Have the report to post?

Here is my first report at....

 

[HSKR R/T]

Here is my first report at.... View attachment 159575

They must be wrong. that's saying the factory used 5w-20 when it calls for 5w-20.

 

[SD Rebel]

They must be wrong. that's saying the factory used 5w-20 when it calls for 5w-20.

Lol, well I did write on the slip it was 5W-20

I honestly wasn't sure how well they could measure it, but I had a sample from E90 M3 years ago when I bough it used, wasn't sure if the last service used 10W-60 or 10W-50, so I wrote that it was probably 10W-60. Blackstone report said it was 5W-50 and I later found the service receipt that shown it was actually 5W-50. So they seem to have a good method of identifying the actual oil weight.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Lol, well I did write on the slip it was 5W-20

I honestly wasn't sure how well they could measure it, but I had a sample from E90 M3 years ago when I bough it used, wasn't sure if the last service used 10W-60 or 10W-50, so I wrote that it was probably 10W-60. Blackstone report said it was 5W-50 and I later found the service receipt that shown it was actually 5W-50. So they seem to have a good method of identifying the actual oil weight.

They can most definitely tell the weight of the oil. Not sure why they don't include that in the report, other than it would confuse most people. The oil I am currently running is a 5.3w-37 custom blend

 

[CalvinC]

You

They can most definitely tell the weight of the oil. Not sure why they don't include that in the report, other than it would confuse most people. The oil I am currently running is a 5.3w-37 custom blend

Oh dear, you will most certainly explode your engine not using the spec'd oil!!

 

[boogielander]

Lol, well I did write on the slip it was 5W-20

I honestly wasn't sure how well they could measure it, but I had a sample from E90 M3 years ago when I bough it used, wasn't sure if the last service used 10W-60 or 10W-50, so I wrote that it was probably 10W-60. Blackstone report said it was 5W-50 and I later found the service receipt that shown it was actually 5W-50. So they seem to have a good method of identifying the actual oil weight.

side track a bit:
did you see any performance difference or anything with 5w-50 on the S65? Been running 10w-60 on mine and i wonder if i can go a bit lighter.

 

[SD Rebel]

side track a bit:
did you see any performance difference or anything with 5w-50 on the S65? Been running 10w-60 on mine and i wonder if i can go a bit lighter.

The original owner did it because the rod bearings (big issue on that engine) on 10W-60 were pretty worn at 78,000 miles when they were replaced. The shop that did the work recommended going to a lighter weight after the new bearings were installed, it was a Turner kit with the upgraded bearing shells and bolts.

I used Redline 5W-50 for the few years I owned that car, it was great, no issues, but I cannot compare it to the 10W-60 because I never drove it with that weight.

I think the issue with the E90 M3 was the bearing material was too soft and the tolerances were too tight, if you got new upgraded bearings at the correct tolerances, then the 10W-60 probably is fine, though there are a lot of shops that recommend the lighter weight to make sure there is enough lubrication to those bearings.

Definitely get an oil analysis, for $30 you can get a good idea if your bearings are having lubrication issues.

 

[boogielander]

The original owner did it because the rod bearings (big issue on that engine) on 10W-60 were pretty worn at 78,000 miles when they were replaced. The shop that did the work recommended going to a lighter weight after the new bearings were installed, it was a Turner kit with the upgraded bearing shells and bolts.

I used Redline 5W-50 for the few years I owned that car, it was great, no issues, but I cannot compare it to the 10W-60 because I never drove it with that weight.

I think the issue with the E90 M3 was the bearing material was too soft and the tolerances were too tight, if you got new upgraded bearings at the correct tolerances, then the 10W-60 probably is fine, though there are a lot of shops that recommend the lighter weight to make sure there is enough lubrication to those bearings.

Definitely get an oil analysis, for $30 you can get a good idea if your bearings are having lubrication issues.

oh yeah i do blackstone every oil change for the M. Gonna be doing that every 2 oil changes (10k miles) for the Ram.
i'm gonna ask my friend (he's a specialist for these cars) see if i should change to 5w-50 or stick with 10w-60.

now i just let it warm up while i have a ciggy before i drive, and i only drive it when it's warm for faster warm up time. upshift at 2k rpm until the oil temp's warm lol

 

[beetlespin]

If I was going to keep my truck forever maybe.....but who keeps their truck forever?

I change mine whenever the truck tells me to.

 

[HSKR R/T]

If I was going to keep my truck forever maybe.....but who keeps their truck forever?

I change mine whenever the truck tells me to.

I plan on keeping my BTS for a very long time. Still have my 2000 Dakota R/T that I never plan on getting rid of

 

[kdoublep]

I run bleach. It's slick.

 

[wallyuwl]

Question... does going with an oil weight different than on cap or in manual negate warranty?

My 2020 specs 5w20, my dad 2022 is 0w20. I know these used to spec 5w30.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Question... does going with an oil weight different than on cap or in manual negate warranty?

My 2020 specs 5w20, my dad 2022 is 0w20. I know these used to spec 5w30.

Only if it comes down to a case of engine damage from incorrect viscosity. And it's on the dealer and Ram to prove the damage was due to the oil used

 

[John89]

I have been hearing this rumor for years on truck forums. It's no different on motorcycle forums. To this day, nobody has produced a document or any other proof to confirm this old wives tale.

This is from the manual, Break-In section. “The engine oil installed in the engine at the factory is a high-quality energy conserving type lubricant.”

Not sure if this means the viscosity is different or what.

 

[Idahoktm]

This is from the manual, Break-In section. “The engine oil installed in the engine at the factory is a high-quality energy conserving type lubricant.”

Not sure if this means the viscosity is different or what.
View attachment 177839

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w-20 is also a high-quality energy conserving type lubricant. What makes you believe Ram uses anything else?

 

[HSKR R/T]

This is from the manual, Break-In section. “The engine oil installed in the engine at the factory is a high-quality energy conserving type lubricant.”

Not sure if this means the viscosity is different or what.
View attachment 177839

It just means they didn't put ****ty oil in. It's a good quality oil and they want you to follow factory specs for oil to keep "high quality, energy conserving" lubricants in it