etorque removal - what’s involved?

[Darksteel165]

They have 50 psi of lubrication at idle, at least mine does

Mine doesn't even have that much at idle, let alone while eTorque is enraged the engine is not idle (goes to 0)

 

[mikeru82]

Most engine wear occurs at COLD startups, not hot/warm

STARTUP WEAR IN AUTOMOBILE ENGINES

Studies in laboratory engines equipped with radioactive piston rings show that wear is highest during a cold startup. Corrosion by condensed combustion products is responsible.Engine operating variables and additives in fuels and motor oils influence corrosion and, therefore, startup wear. Long shut

www.sae.org

Yeah, I'm aware that I omitted the word cold from my previous post. Definitely an oversight. But I'm not convinced that more wear doesn't occur at warm start than if the engine were kept running. Again, as mentioned in my previous post, that's purely my opinion. But until I see data on wear in an engine that sees lots of stop/start operations versus an engine that doesn't, I'm sticking with my gut feeling.

Not sure why you posted that link. It lost me with the first sentence...
"Studies in laboratory engines equipped with radioactive piston rings show that wear is highest during a cold startup. Corrosion by condensed combustion products is responsible."
I'm not a scientist of any sort, but exactly how do "laboratory engines equipped with radioactive piston rings" correlate to real-world engines?

 

[BowDown]

Mine doesn't even have that much at idle, let alone while eTorque is enraged the engine is not idle (goes to 0)

Well its not running when start/stop is engaged.
30 psi, not 50. My car is 50 psi at idle

 

[BowDown]

Yeah, I'm aware that I omitted the word cold from my previous post. Definitely an oversight. But I'm not convinced that more wear doesn't occur at warm start than if the engine were kept running. Again, as mentioned in my previous post, that's purely my opinion. But until I see data on wear in an engine that sees lots of stop/start operations versus an engine that doesn't, I'm sticking with my gut feeling.

Not sure why you posted that link. It lost me with the first sentence...
"Studies in laboratory engines equipped with radioactive piston rings show that wear is highest during a cold startup. Corrosion by condensed combustion products is responsible."
I'm not a scientist of any sort, but exactly how do "laboratory engines equipped with radioactive piston rings" correlate to real-world engines?

One of the premises between warm/hot vs cold start is that a warm/hot engine was previously running and has a substantial amount of oil cling on all the parts vs an engine that's sat long enough to get cold and that same oil having dripped off. Radioactive rings just allows for more precise measurement of loss of material.
I'd think a running idling engine is wearing more than an engine not running but thats me

 

[mikeru82]

One of the premises between warm/hot vs cold start is that a warm/hot engine was previously running and has a substantial amount of oil cling on all the parts vs an engine that's sat long enough to get cold and that same oil having dripped off. Radioactive rings just allows for more precise measurement of loss of material.
I'd think a running idling engine is wearing more than an engine not running but thats me

Haha, thanks for twisting my words. That's not what I said and you know it.

 

[Montana_]

Every time someone posts on reddit about having e-torque issues the comment section gets flooded with people basically saying "same here".

Does not leave me a lot of hope. Especially having a transmission replaced at 25k already.

My warranty is up in May, 2026. There's a 90% chance I'm just going to get rid of it around that time. No doubt if I had a non e-torque model I'd put up with any early issues that happened under the warranty and get the extended too, but the ET going out and the backorder on it is crippling.

I might look into another used, non ET model, but one thing is for sure - whatever it is, it's going to have headlights/taillights I can replace easily (not having to spend thousands on the entire housings when warranties don't cover them), very basic non luxury options, and likely a single or extended cab.

 

[Davidbt]

I made a couple of bad decisions back in 2022 that I've mentioned on this forum. When I realized I needed to rectify it, I specifically searched out a non e-torq 5.7. The only thing my current truck is missing, is a 33 gallon gas tank. At my age, when we travel, I need to stop more often than my wife anyway.

 

[Slutzk]

So besides buying a bypass harness and or turning it off.... to date no one has figured out how to just completely disconnect this usless feature?

 

[Slutzk]

Honest question for those that either permanently or each time you get in your truck, disable stop/start.
And OP, sorry for derailing a little here.

Why?
Is it because you don’t trust it? Is it because you drive in a lot of stop/go traffic and find it annoying? Is it because…you’re old school, annoying, don’t see the need/feel the need?

For me, I shut it off in traffic jams and the drive through. Annoying.
On my wife’s old Cherokee, it was not smooth, very jerky…and I always shut it off.

However, in this truck, aside from those times listed above, it truly doesn’t bother me. It’s smooth, reliable thus far…

Just curious as to why some feel the need to shut it off and disable.

Restarting the engine over and over, not good, and most of all.... it does nothing. Was just for tree huggers in power. It damn sure isn't for fuel milage because I've yet to find anyone who tells me "it makes a big difference." It's so minimal you barley if ever even notice it.
Plus.... look at the issues it's having. Last number i heard was 7,000+ people waiting for parts for this system with no eta (could have changed now idk) on when it's coming, leaving some without trucks. I got mine in 2023 and thankfully, knock on wood, I havnt had a issue and I turn it off immediately when I get in the truck. But if I was to change anything about my truck when I built it was to get a non ET and 3.92 gear instead of 3.21 (then again i didn't think id be doing well enough in life to tow anything heavy when I got it). Just think it's completely usless and something else to fail.

 

[Davidbt]

So besides buying a bypass harness and or turning it off.... to date no one has figured out how to just completely disconnect this usless feature?

It sounds like you regret getting the e-torq. As with my non e-torq, I always hit gear limiter so the eco mode does not engage. Just my opinion, neither is helps enough for the minimal fuel savings.

 

[Slutzk]

It sounds like you regret getting the e-torq. As with my non e-torq, I always hit gear limiter so the eco mode does not engage. Just my opinion, neither is helps enough for the minimal fuel savings.

Yes I do. If I were to do it again i would have went with a 22, just missed the deadline to build and there were none with every package I wanted.
As for eco mode I rarely hit it with my level and 35s so I don't worry about it so much with gear limiter. However yes I 100% agree on that as well, usless. Just for tree huggers to be happy, and cause more problems for buyers.

 

[Davidbt]

I'm retired and to be honest, I really didn't know ordering a vehicle just the way you wanted it was a thing. And at this point in my life, short of winning the lottery, I will be sticking with my truck. I was fortunate to have found it with only 11,300 miles. And it was dealer owned, so I know it's history. I bought it September 2022, and it's been a great truck. Other than the recalls like everyone else, I had one miner warranty issue fixed. It fits my wife and I really well.