Agreed. I'm simply referring to gelling as a generalization of the results of diesel cloud point. Diesel gelling, icing, wax dropout (regardless of sulfur content) is a direct result of the cloud point of the diesel which has a direct effect on flow. In the winter, utilize quality diesel (preferably #1 or a winter blend with a quality additive) to ensure the cloud point is optimal for the temps you may encounter.
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Diesel Fuel and Anti-Gel
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FWIW, I just added an easy connect NOCO outlet to my block heater, so I can keep the hood closed and not have cords poking through the grill, or whatnot. I've got the NOCO mounted under the bumper, near the right tow hook.
Anyhow...I tested the block heater last night. It got down to 23F. I went out with a remote thermometer when it had warmed up to 28-30. Lifting the hood, I felt the warmth. The IR thermometer registered mid 60's in most locations I pointed it. Call that a +30-35F increase, and that's on the outside of the block. It's got a decent block heater.
Straight from the pump. I'm in Canada. I don't add anything to my fuel and my truck sits outside 24/7.
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LouNY
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straight from the pump, it was treated or you would have had problems.
It's whatever blend of winter diesel they have in Canada. Probably mostly number 1 diesel.
I don't add anything to my fuel. Never have, never will. My point to the OP is he doesn't need additional additives.
Not sure why you're having a tough time believing this or assuming I was parked in a heated garage.
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Thanks for adding your experiences! I’m very interested to see some lab results comparing the fuel we get in the US to Canada. I would hope it would be the same.
From googling it's just the blend of number 1 and number 2 diesel. The more number 1 the lower the temperature.
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Yeah, I found the same. That’s what we have also.
You don’t need life or health insurance either but I’ll bet you have it. Additives reduce the risk…each owner has their acceptable level of risk. Additives DO work after using them for the past 40+ years especially if you get a questionable batch of diesel. I’ve been on the side of the highway south of Fairbanks at -51F due to a poor blend. I’ve used an additive ever since then and never encountered a problem since.
To each their own…I don’t need additive but I also don’t want to be stuck in the cold with a bad batch of diesel.
My uncle owns sixteen tractors and a fleet of trailers for over forty years and they use exclusively Stanadyne during the fall/winter/spring to prevent issues.
Likewise, Dad was also a truck driver for his career and I rode in his IH Transtar and his Peterbuilts during summer vacation and Christmas break - he too used Stanadyne in the fall/winter/spring.
And yes, I have dipped my fair share of tanks to get diesel to prefill a fuel filter when replacing one that was “gelled” up due to failure to utilize additive when filling up with what turned out to be straight #2 diesel in subzero weather.
Stanadyne and Power Services doesn't sell their product by the 55 gallon drum simply to allow the 3/4T/1T Cummins, PowerJoke or Duramax daily driver to make a one-time lifetime supply purchase of the stuff! It's
To each their own…
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bill-e
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I had a Gen 2 for almost 6 years and now going on the second with the Gen 3. I never plug in the motor, own but don't install the winter cover on my Gen 3, and I only occasionally run additive (mostly for lubricity). It is not unusual to be below single digits F for a week or two at a time and we see -20. The trucks run fine in the winter.
I cant imagine that the gas station attendants even know what winter fuel is but by October all the distributers are mixing and delivering it. The easiest way to tell is by the drop in MPG although my Gen 3 seems to be much more tolerant of it than the Gen 2.
Don't worry, drive happy!
LouNY
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All of you that don't use additives and don't use the winter cover, Good Luck.
I have been running diesels since the early 70's, Iv'e gelled up, froze up and had my engines fail to start from fuel and cold.
Those of you that haven't good for you.
You crawl under a truck and change filters and clear out fuel lines in sub zero temperatures one time and then tell me about adding
additives or blending my own fuels.
Those of you in the States especially in the North East very little fuel is blended at a refinery for use here.
Most fuel is delivered to tank farms and then the deliveries pick up from the tank farm and depending on the
distributor and which stores that fuel is going to additives will be added to the fuel at that time for the predicted
temperatures very seldom is your fuel blended with #1 unless you are getting fuel during a prolonged or extreme cold spell.
Yes, most truckers in the northern states add additives to there fuel routinely.
I have been running diesels since the early 70's, Iv'e gelled up, froze up and had my engines fail to start from fuel and cold.
Those of you that haven't good for you.
You crawl under a truck and change filters and clear out fuel lines in sub zero temperatures one time and then tell me about adding
additives or blending my own fuels.
Those of you in the States especially in the North East very little fuel is blended at a refinery for use here.
Most fuel is delivered to tank farms and then the deliveries pick up from the tank farm and depending on the
distributor and which stores that fuel is going to additives will be added to the fuel at that time for the predicted
temperatures very seldom is your fuel blended with #1 unless you are getting fuel during a prolonged or extreme cold spell.
Yes, most truckers in the northern states add additives to there fuel routinely.
Diesels have changed a lot since the 70s. There's no requirement to run the front winter cover. Even the manual says that.
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LouNY
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Like I said do what you wish to your truck.
I like mine and try and treat it well most of the time.
I like mine and try and treat it well most of the time.
Chris3058
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-30C here last 2 nights...not plugged in. Started right up - ugly sounding but it started no problem after the glow plugs did their thing. I will plug it in the next cold day......and I run EDT in every tank even though we have winter blend up here.
I noticed on winter blend fuel that I got 2.1mpg better on 1oz of EDT than I did from using 2oz of EDT per 26gals. I’m going to see if that holds true for this tank. I fill up at the same station and drive the same route daily. Any mpg increase at all is unexpected, so I don’t know what’s up with the fuel here. I use a very high volume shell station.
Chris3058
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Now my 76 VW Diesel Rabbit is another story...lol.
bill-e
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I'd plug my truck in every night just to warm the oil if I wasn't positive that you'd see me driving down the road towing my house behind me connected with the extension Coard.
Drove tractor trailers for over 24 years and yes diesel fuel is blended in colder climates . We also added fuel additives to our storage tanks .
In northern Maine we would run our fuel cut with 40 percent kerosene . One time they delivered untreated fuel to our storage tank and put 37 tractors out of business
in one day. Expensive mistake . Spent 24 hours in the hospital with hypothermia that trip .
In northern Maine we would run our fuel cut with 40 percent kerosene . One time they delivered untreated fuel to our storage tank and put 37 tractors out of business
in one day. Expensive mistake . Spent 24 hours in the hospital with hypothermia that trip .
