Daily family use ,no towing, do I need E-torque

[RedFred]

I'm currently shopping for a new truck. One of my must have features is NO-ETorque. I don't care for the stop start feature. Don't want it want, don't need it.

And what is your dealer talking about. Of course you can choose a regular hemi. The only exception I saw was with certain packages on the Limited they wanted me to choose the etorque or diesel.

 

[Cbty2050]

Hear are 3 options with no choice on non eTorque, I can keep looking.

 

[RedFred]

Here are 3 options with no choice on non eTorque, I can keep looking.

Please explain. What are you showing us? 4x4 Laramie can be purchased with hemi and without e-torque. And Limited comes standard with the hemi and no e-torque.

 

[wallyuwl]

I had the TSB done on my '22' anti is better. It was really not bad before but noticed it it was better.

What TSB?

I know they reprogrammed the etorque activation for 22 MY.

 

[Cbty2050]

Please explain. What are you showing us? 4x4 Laramie can be purchased with hemi and without e-torque. And Limited comes standard with the hemi and no e-torque.

Those are order options currently available, by build codes you can see no standard hemi is available in those 3 truck builds. FYI EZH is non eTorque hemi option. I just showed you that there are models that can't order the hemi.

 

[theblet]

Don’t need it unless you want auto stop start

 

[Derek916]

My etorque doesn't shut off at lights when the AC is on. Never. Normal?

What temperature do you have your AC on at? If its a hot day in my area, I would leave it at 68 degrees and it would never turn it off. I upped that temperature to 75, and it turns off. I also did not notice a difference in temperature because I think the truck cannot get down that low on a hot day anyways. My advice is to keep upping the temperature til you see the Start/Stop is ready.

 

[wegasque]

My etorque doesn't shut off at lights when the AC is on. Never. Normal?

It depends. I live in the Phoenix area and have had my Ac running full blast for months. My engine only shuts off if I'm not running the AC.

 

[Rlaf75]

E-torque isn't needed. I'm sure it was introduced to please our government overlords. Get on the RAM website and build your own and see if the regular hemi is still available. The dealer may tell you that because all they have is e-torque ram's on their lot they want to sell you.

 

[Bpebler]

You can get the Ram with or without the etorque, not sure if the dealer knows what they’re talking about or if he’s simply saying that they only have etorque in stock on the lot in a poor way.

I put just over 58k on my Laramie etorque without issues before I traded it in for a NON etorque standard hemi. Reasons being are I only tow once or twice a year & not a very heavy load, plus now I have 3.92 gears instead of the 3.21 which tows much more capacity. Another reason is I don’t like the start stop system in any car. My wife’s Durango has it & I turn it off every time. The startup cycle has always been the most harsh on all engines & I plan to use my vehicles long term & don’t really care about the EPA stuff. Plus work pays for fuel which helps a ton obviously. I also turn off the MDS (cylinder deactivation). Another couple that I care to avoid is the rear windows have a known issue for leaking which causes the etorque battery to fail & you can’t drive without it at that point. I also read on here where someone was waiting 5 months for a replacement belt for the etorque alternator system due to shortages. So no thanks, I got the standard hemi this time & really like & prefer it for my personal needs.

 

[BowDown]

You can get the Ram with or without the etorque, not sure if the dealer knows what they’re talking about or if he’s simply saying that they only have etorque in stock on the lot in a poor way.

I put just over 58k on my Laramie etorque without issues before I traded it in for a NON etorque standard hemi. Reasons being are I only tow once or twice a year & not a very heavy load, plus now I have 3.92 gears instead of the 3.21 which tows much more capacity. Another reason is I don’t like the start stop system in any car. My wife’s Durango has it & I turn it off every time. The startup cycle has always been the most harsh on all engines & I plan to use my vehicles long term & don’t really care about the EPA stuff. Plus work pays for fuel which helps a ton obviously. I also turn off the MDS (cylinder deactivation). Another couple that I care to avoid is the rear windows have a known issue for leaking which causes the etorque battery to fail & you can’t drive without it at that point. I also read on here where someone was waiting 5 months for a replacement belt for the etorque alternator system due to shortages. So no thanks, I got the standard hemi this time & really like & prefer it for my personal needs.

Yet you had no issues for 58K miles...

The startup cycle has always been the most harsh on all engines

Not at all true. Cold starts on old 70's engines in some cases caused additional wear but not on modern engines with modern oils..
There's millions of etorque trucks on the road now, one person having to wait for a MGU (because of covid shortages) isn't representative of all etorque situations same for the window leak and battery failure, again 1 instance that's been posted here. You don't like it and don't want it fine but posting BS helps no one

 

[Cbty2050]

E-torque isn't needed. I'm sure it was introduced to please our government overlords. Get on the RAM website and build your own and see if the regular hemi is still available. The dealer may tell you that because all they have is e-torque ram's on their lot they want to sell you.

That's not 100% true Laramie 4x4 crew cab long bed, you can only order eTorque hemi currently. Same as Bighorn crew cab Long bed(3.6 is also available in this model).

Did the op ever state what configuration he wanted?

 

[Bpebler]

Yet you had no issues for 58K miles...

Not at all true. Cold starts on old 70's engines in some cases caused additional wear but not on modern engines with modern oils..
There's millions of etorque trucks on the road now, one person having to wait for a MGU (because of covid shortages) isn't representative of all etorque situations same for the window leak and battery failure, again 1 instance that's been posted here. You don't like it and don't want it fine but posting BS helps no one

This is exactly why I said for MY personal needs & preferences. There are other folks in the world who agree with me. Some don’t, obviously like yourself.

It’s not BS if it’s happened to some people, it’s facts. The rear window causing issues for etorque owners is certainly more than 1 person. It doesn’t have to be on the forum for me to know this. My brother in law was a salesman with a technical background at DCJR dealers for quite some time who now audits the dealerships & I have ample info regarding this from various Midwest dealers. Whether it’s a small or large percentage is irrelevant. Search the forums if you really want to prove me wrong - I could care less either way. So I’d suggest saving yourself the hassle.

I don’t want to deal with said BS & can’t for my job. Can’t afford the downtime whether it’s 1 week or 5 months. My comments reflect what others have posted on this forum elsewhere & I’m simply sharing for this fellow to make a better decision. I’m not dissing the etorque - but the OP should hear ALL of what encompasses the question, both the good & bad in order to make a proper decision.

 

[BowDown]

This is exactly why I said for MY personal needs & preferences. There are other folks in the world who agree with me. Some don’t, obviously like yourself.

It’s not BS if it’s happened to some people, it’s facts. The rear window causing issues for etorque owners is certainly more than 1 person. It doesn’t have to be on the forum for me to know this. My brother in law was a salesman with a technical background at DCJR dealers for quite some time who now audits the dealerships & I have ample info regarding this from various Midwest dealers. Whether it’s a small or large percentage is irrelevant. Search the forums if you really want to prove me wrong - I could care less either way. So I’d suggest saving yourself the hassle.

I don’t want to deal with said BS & can’t for my job. Can’t afford the downtime whether it’s 1 week or 5 months. My comments reflect what others have posted on this forum elsewhere & I’m simply sharing for this fellow to make a better decision. I’m not dissing the etorque - but the OP should hear ALL of what encompasses the question, both the good & bad in order to make a proper decision.

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As for my BS comment, I'm referring to the fact that relative to the number on the road, the failures represent an insignificant number of owners , my guess is less than 1%. My BS comment also referred to the engine wear on startup, additionally, you yourself have 58K trouble free miles. More people have posted 4x4 and CHMSL issues than etorque issues.

As for the OP wondering, you'd be fine either way you went but etorque has more benefits beyond towing. I'd say the mpg improvement is the biggest benefit

 

[Rlaf75]

That's not 100% true Laramie 4x4 crew cab long bed, you can only order eTorque hemi currently. Same as Bighorn crew cab Long bed(3.6 is also available in this model).

Did the op ever state what configuration he wanted?

In the title of this thread hhe asks if e-torque is needed for daily family use and no towing. My reply to that is "no, it is not needed". Also in my reply to him I suggested he goes to the ram website to build his truck and see if the non e-torque is available for whatever package he decides to build.

 

[Cbty2050]

In the title of this thread hhe asks if e-torque is needed for daily family use and no towing. My reply to that is "no, it is not needed". Also in my reply to him I suggested he goes to the ram website to build his truck and see if the non e-torque is available for whatever package he decides to build.

The Ram website isn't accurate to builds at the dealer level. The dealer has the up to date info. I posted pictures of build options, from the dealer site.

 

[Rlaf75]

The Ram website isn't accurate to builds at the dealer level. The dealer has the up to date info. I posted pictures of build options, from the dealer site.

Their sales representatives aren't alway accurate either.

 

[deeve]

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Sounds like a you problem.

It's not.

 

[Dewey]

The way I look at it E-torque and MDS is just as worthless as AFM on GM vehicles. Gives owners the feel good lie that they’re saving them a lot of money with better fuel economy. The fact is it’s very minuscule for the average driver. I’m getting almost the exactly the same gas mileage as I did with my older GM 5.7 V8’s back in the 80-90’s. Sure more power and torque but this new added fuel saving technology is really not as impressive as they make it out to be. It’s all just pure advertising gimmicks.

 

[Cbty2050]

Their sales representatives aren't alway accurate either.

Explain to me how I posted pictures of dealer builds that don't give the standard hemi as an option? Yet Ram website says it is an option, who is wrong?