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And the midsized segment wasn't nearly as big as it was now back then.
Sure, things fail. I get that. But one of the big reasons I made the switch to Ram from GM in the first place was the fact that you could get more truck for your money from Ram. That is no longer true.
I think GM is FINALLY updating their interiors. Until very recently they were very low quality extremely cheap looking plastic. Still not as comfortable as a Ram though.
I mean, if talking strictly midsize truck the Dakota was it. Everything else was considered a small truck, the S-10, Ranger, Toyota
I agree, but it really depends on trim level. Theres a huge difference from the lowest to highest trim levels with GM. I test drove a lower trim level Silverado last year just to get a feeling for how the baby Duramax compares to other engines. I don't remember which trim level it was, but it was only a level or two above a W/T. The interior of that truck was nowhere near even what the Tradesman has. Seat materials are terrible, and the plastic surfaces looked and felt cheap. Obviously there's a difference from a Tradesman to a Limited, but the differences aren't nearly as dramatic. I left GM in 2016 when I was replacing the 2006 GMC I owned at the time. I hated the direction GMC/Chevy were headed. Now I don't like the direction Ram is headed. If I were buying right now I doubt I'd buy Ram. Honestly I won't have any reason to buy for several years as long as nothing catastrophic happens with the Ram we have now. Who knows what our choices will be by then?
More than that, for a long while, the Dakota was the only midsize truck. S-10, Sonoma, Ranger, Toyota (nameless than Tacoma), and Nissan Frontier all started out as compacts. Even Colorado and Canyon were initially compact trucks. There really wasn’t another midsize until the middle 2000s. So for almost two decades, they held that class to themselves.
I've only seen one that would compare with a Laramie, not close to a Limited. The rest were like Tradesmen. I'm even talking Z71s and Denalis. A Limited Elite has a better interior than any Cadillac I have been in.
Yeah...it's a super slow process for them to change that interior, but it's getting better.
Haha...the upper trim levels are definitely not like a Tradesman. Agree to disagree I guess.
I haven’t been in one, but from the photos, it looks like the Denali Ultimate offers real competition to the Longhorn. But that comes for $10,000 more (and the gap used to be even bigger).
Yeah, like I said, they are finally improving them. That is the only thing better about GM, is you get a V8 choice. Ram can be updated to hands free cruise, but they don't offer it factory to avoid the lawsuits when they fail. Many instances of Tesla accidents.
I'm not sure if you've checked prices lately. I invite you to go the the ramtrucks.com site and build your exact truck (or as close as possible) to see how much more it would cost if you were buying it today. I did this with the 2020 Laramie I used to own. That truck had an MSRP of $58,150. After building one as close as I could on that site, the same truck would cost almost $12k more today at $70,065. Where's the value in that?
Thanks to Joe Lieden's inflation, everything is up 20%. In 2020 I was paying $.69 for eggs, now they are $4.
Not to get a political, but it's hardly his fault. I would blame more on corporate greed, inflated prices during the pandemic, purposely slowing down production, with little to no changes in the rams, and dealer markups.
Political or not it is fact. As soon as he shut down oil drilling, his first day in office, oil skyrocketed. Every item you buy uses oil, whether in manufacturing, or transporting. The price of shipping every part to the plant has gone up 20%. The price of those parts went up due to the cost of shipping the materials.
It's YOUR facts. Just make sure we are on the same page. People see what they want to see when it comes to politics.
When I ordered my 2022 ram...June 2021, it was $4k cheaper compared to what it is now. Hell, they even removed options like rambox in the bighorn trim. Don't believe one bit when someone says "supply shortage" right now. It's more like "we don't make that anymore because we can't charge more for it".
Exactly
