Hemi, Hurricane, or keep my current Ram

[Oldphart]

You should keep your 2016 truck forever. You have a lifetime, unlimited mile warranty. That’s golden and will save you so much money as the truck racks up miles and years.

Also, stay off these forums and the RAM website........sometimes ignorance IS bliss.

 

[pensfan]

Speaking of Lifetime Warrenty...My 17 Hemi Ram had one come with it new..I took the time to read it one day...Lifetime is DEFINED in it as 7 yrs or 84k miles...NOT life of truck..some maybe different. Read yours thoroughly

I'm 10 years and 87000 miles into the lifetime warranty at this point.

 

[Reverse]

Speaking of Lifetime Warrenty...My 17 Hemi Ram had one come with it new..I took the time to read it one day...Lifetime is DEFINED in it as 7 yrs or 84k miles...NOT life of truck..some maybe different. Read yours thoroughly

We're in year 11 and 235,000 miles and had radiator replaced not too long ago.

 

[fishslayer]

Maybe if you abuse the truck then they probably deny the claim.
I put 277K miles on my 2003 HEMI (1st gen truck with the then new HEMI). I had no major failures in that time; water pump, valve spring, ac fan and a radiator. My 20 had zero issues in 97K miles with only the exhaust manifolds replaced. These trucks are reliable and most failures are likely to occur early in ownership, year 1-3

Same here..all of my hemis were nearly bulletproof for 100ks of miles..my latest has been as well except for the dreaded E Torgue generator failure at 28k mi. I do meticulous maintenance tho.

 

[gwilburn]

Wish I would have kept my 2014... Far more reliable.

 

[pensfan]

Hear me out I bet that $5k off offer will be presented again down the road (probably more). No need to rush because you feel like it wont offered again. They’re only offering that to get you out of that Maxcare warranty. Gonna be hard to go back lets say you get new truck and eventually its starts having issues (maybe it won’t) and you have to have to play the whole cat and mouse game and fine print to get w/e covered not to mentioned… the backorder on some parts. Everybody wants a new truck but you really have to think about it and make a pro/cons list and figure out of its worth it.

Even if they raise the offer to 7500 next year, my truck will have gone down probably an equal amount in value and there will probably price increases too.
My hope is if I order, need to do it by Monday, the incentives will rise to more than 3500 by the time the truck arrives.

 

[PurpleRT]

Even if they raise the offer to 7500 next year, my truck will have gone down probably an equal amount in value and there will probably price increases too.
My hope is if I order, need to do it by Monday, the incentives will rise to more than 3500 by the time the truck arrives.

Sounds like your pretty much made up your mind or trying your best to convince yourself that a new truck is the way to go. The value of your truck may go down but you will also will be making payment said payments again. Ultimately do what makes you happy.


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[PurpleRT]

I don't agree. There's no need for Ram to be aggressive, I also don't think this is a ploy to get anyone out of lifetime warranties. To me, this seems like a tool to increase sales. I cannot see how a lifetime warranty will impact FCA's bottom line or is even a liability for them. The truck could be in an accident tomorrow and totaled, warranty gone.
There can't be a significant number of lifetime warranties still floating around to where Stellantis is worried about having to put a new rebuilt trans or engine in the vehicle; those warranties are not giving the holder a "new" engine or trans, it'll be rebuilt or may well be a part from LKQ so I don't think the costs for Stellantis are the driver here.

It may not be more but I gamble it isn’t going to be any less.


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[BowDown]

It may not be more but I gamble it isn’t going to be any less.


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Probably not, that's the same amount people with lifetime warranties have been offered since 2020

 

[85octane]

Pretty sure you'll get worse mileage with the newer trucks. There are quite a few electrical issues too. If it was me and had a lifetime warranty, paid off, and no issues... I'd keep it, no question

 

[BowDown]

Pretty sure you'll get worse mileage with the newer trucks. There are quite a few electrical issues too. If it was me and had a lifetime warranty, paid off, and no issues... I'd keep it, no question

The 25-26 electrical problems are like the etorque problems, wayy overblown with the vast majority of people having no issues. As for the fuel mileage, no. The SO with 3.55 gears got better mileage than my 20 with 3.21 gears and that truck did really well on mileage, 17-18 mpg mixed driving and 22-23 mpg on the highway at 72-75 mph.
The SO I had did 18 mpg in the city and the same on the highway.

My Tungsten is worse than my 20 and the SO but thats because of the trash 3.92 gears. My 25 operates at 5-700 rpm higher than my 20 did and that's where the loss of mpg comes from. My Tungsten is at 2000 rpm @70mph, my 20 was 1600 rpm at the same speed and at 2000 rpm was 80mph.

3.55 should have been an option but even with the 3.92's its the same mpg that most here are saying they get with 3.92's and the HEMI.

 

[gwilburn]

The 25-26 electrical problems are like the etorque problems, wayy overblown with the vast majority of people having no issues. As for the fuel mileage, no. The SO with 3.55 gears got better mileage than my 20 with 3.21 gears and that truck did really well on mileage, 17-18 mpg mixed driving and 22-23 mpg on the highway at 72-75 mph.
The SO I had did 18 mpg in the city and the same on the highway.

My Tungsten is worse than my 20 and the SO but thats because of the trash 3.92 gears. My 25 operates at 5-700 rpm higher than my 20 did and that's where the loss of mpg comes from. My Tungsten is at 2000 rpm @70mph, my 20 was 1600 rpm at the same speed and at 2000 rpm was 80mph.

3.55 should have been an option but even with the 3.92's its the same mpg that most here are saying they get with 3.92's and the HEMI.

The difference is more like 400 RPM (between 3.21 and 3.92). I wouldn't call 3.92 gearing "trash" (except for the fact that my 2024 is currently in the garage for a new rear axle). That gearing works great in the mountains and for towing.
Having said that, I don't understand why 3.55s aren't an option with the HO.

As for the OP... I traded a 2014 Laramie on a 2024 Limited (no payments on either). I did this because a 10-year-old truck in our part of the country is starting to deteriorate because of road salt. However, I've had 10x more problems with my 2024 than my 2014. You never get "ahead" trading vehicles - you are always the loser.

If Ram would buy it back at a price where I didn't lose my a$$, I would likely take that offer.

 

[BowDown]

The difference is more like 400 RPM (between 3.21 and 3.92). I wouldn't call 3.92 gearing "trash" (except for the fact that my 2024 is currently in the garage for a new rear axle). That gearing works great in the mountains and for towing.
Having said that, I don't understand why 3.55s aren't an option with the HO.

As for the OP... I traded a 2014 Laramie on a 2024 Limited (no payments on either). I did this because a 10-year-old truck in our part of the country is starting to deteriorate because of road salt. However, I've had 10x more problems with my 2024 than my 2014. You never get "ahead" trading vehicles - you are always the loser.

If Ram would buy it back at a price where I didn't lose my a$$, I would likely take that offer.

In the city, my 3.92 truck is about 5-700 rpm difference as it doesn't go into 7th or 8th most of the time. My 3.21 truck would be 11-1200 rpm where my 3.92 truck is 19-2100 rpm. It rarely is below 2000 rpm with 3.92 gears. On the highway, they are about 4-500 rpm apart but not in the city.
I call the 3.92 trash because, IMO, the hurt the trucks performance in everyway

 

[pensfan]

Since my 5000 was set to expire today, I decided to order a truck this past Saturday, even though I still am not sure I want to get rid of my '16 Ram. The salesman told me I didn't need a deposit and if I decided I didn't want the ordered truck it wasn't a problem. I have bought or leased 5 vehicles from the dealership in the last 12 years so I suspect that is why. He complimented me on my '16's appearance and said I can see why you are having a hard time deciding what to do.
I ordered a Laramie Night edition with the Hurricane as all the ongoing eTorque issues scared me away from the Hemi. One of the service managers told me they just took in a Hemi with a failed eTorque unit and they had to idea how long the wait would be for a replacement unit.
The only extras besides the Night package I ordered was the Level 1 group, bed utility group and rear wheel house liners. I said I didn't want the factory mats as I prefer Husky Liners. He didn't check the option box for them yet the system forced them as a mandatory option, as Ram eliminated the carpet mats they have provided for years.
So the base prices of these trucks may not have changed, but they are raising prices in other ways.
The Hurricane is currently restricted, so the estimate is 60 to 90 days before delivery, giving me more time to decide if I want to keep my truck or trade it.

 

[gwilburn]

In the city, my 3.92 truck is about 5-700 rpm difference as it doesn't go into 7th or 8th most of the time. My 3.21 truck would be 11-1200 rpm where my 3.92 truck is 19-2100 rpm. It rarely is below 2000 rpm with 3.92 gears. On the highway, they are about 4-500 rpm apart but not in the city.
I call the 3.92 trash because, IMO, the hurt the trucks performance in everyway

The bold I do not understand. I drive in town and in the country on two lane (as well as interstate). A lot of stop and go. My truck is in 8th gear at 45 mph - well before a 3.21 is. My dad's truck is a 3.21. He gets about 1-2 mpg better than me (he's also 87). I observer exactly what you do on the interstate at 75-80. But the RPM difference isn't going to magically change at lower speeds. Look at the gear ratios. The 3.92 has a gear lower and the 3.21 has a gear higher. The ratios are such that its really that simple. It's designed to get the load moving. I get 14-15 and he gets 15-16 mpg... drop 1-2 mpg in the winter due to the gas. I get 7-8 pulling a large enclosed trailer at highway speeds.
As far as performance, the 3.92 will smoke a 3.21 up to the speed limiter (104 and 106 respectively).
If I had a choice, I think I would choose 3.55. But in 2024 wit the Hemi, it was 3.21 or 3.92.
I would like to know why the SST HO is only offered in 3.92.

 

[BowDown]

The bold I do not understand. I drive in town and in the country on two lane (as well as interstate). A lot of stop and go. My truck is in 8th gear at 45 mph - well before a 3.21 is. My dad's truck is a 3.21. He gets about 1-2 mpg better than me (he's also 87). I observer exactly what you do on the interstate at 75-80. But the RPM difference isn't going to magically change at lower speeds. Look at the gear ratios. The 3.92 has a gear lower and the 3.21 has a gear higher. The ratios are such that its really that simple. It's designed to get the load moving. I get 14-15 and he gets 15-16 mpg... drop 1-2 mpg in the winter due to the gas. I get 7-8 pulling a large enclosed trailer at highway speeds.
As far as performance, the 3.92 will smoke a 3.21 up to the speed limiter (104 and 106 respectively).
If I had a choice, I think I would choose 3.55. But in 2024 wit the Hemi, it was 3.21 or 3.92.
I would like to know why the SST HO is only offered in 3.92.

My truck with the 3.92 gears stays in the numerically lower gear longer than the 3.21 truck for example:
The 3.92 truck is still in 6th gear at 45mph whereas my 3.21 truck was in 7th. 7th gear has a bigger split that 4-500 rpm between the 3.21 truck and the 3.92 truck. In 8th gear, there's about a 500 rpm difference between the 2 gears but at lower speeds, the 2 gear sets will be in different transmission gears so the RPM differential is greater. That's why my 3.92 truck is ~15 ish mpg in the city and the 3.21 truck was 17 mpg. The 3.21 geared truck operated at a much lower RPM in city driving.

You'd think with 3.92 gears that the truck would get into high gear sooner but it doesn't. I cannot keep the rpms below 2000 rpm until I'm in 7th gear or around 52 mph. My 3.21 truck was upshifting at 2000 rpm and would drop to 13-1400 rpm

From the gear thread, look at the difference in drive ratios for each gear. I would have liked a 3.55 option in this truck, the HO has torque, it doesn't need that much gear

Gear Ratio Chart: ZF 8HP75

• Main: 3.154.
• 1st: 4.714.
• 2nd: 3.143.
• 3rd: 2.106.
• 4th: 1.667.
• 5th: 1.285.
• 6th: 1.000.
• 7th: 0.839.
• 8th: 0.667

3.92 @ 45 mph in 6th gear


3.21 truck in 7th gear at 45 mph



As for 3.92 smoking a 3.21

 

[gwilburn]

I'm not trying to argue the point, but...
My experience driving a Ram Crew Cab with 3.92 gearing for the past 12 years (a 2014 and 2024) is MUCH different than what you're describing. And I drive my dad's 3.21 quite a bit as he's 87 yrs old. I live and work above 2500 feet in a mountainous area (for the eastern US). My truck spends most of it's time under 2000 RPM until I hit the interstate. Usually around 1600. Heck, my truck is in 3rd gear going up my driveway.

Like you, I would prefer a more "usable" gearing setup. First gear with the 3.92 is way way low, and 8th isn't quite enough. But for towing it is fantastic - where the 3.21 is a bit anemic.

As for YouTube... that's one guys comparison... I've lined them up (and my truck is heavier due to the 6'4" bed).

Real-World Test Results (from the same search that yields your video)
A test conducted by TruckTrend (using a 2019 Rebel with 3.92 and a Laramie Longhorn with 3.21, both 4x4 with 5.7L V8 w/ eTorque) provided interesting results that weren't a perfect comparison due to different tire sizes and vehicle weights.

• 0-60 MPH: The results were nearly identical, with one source showing the 3.92 at 7.53 seconds and the 3.21 at 7.54 seconds.
• Quarter Mile Time: The 3.21 truck actually had a slightly faster quarter-mile time and higher trap speed (15.71 secs @ 92.97 MPH for the 3.21 vs 15.93 secs @ 91.13 MPH for the 3.92). The difference was attributed to the significantly heavier tires/wheels and slightly higher ride height on the 3.92-equipped Rebel, which increased rolling mass and aerodynamic drag.
• Post-Race Observations: The testers noted that while the 3.92 truck was quicker in the 0-60 sprint, after about 1,300 feet (close to the end of the quarter mile), the 3.21 truck caught up and began pulling away, highlighting its better high-speed performance in that specific setup.

In a scenario with identical trucks and tires, the 3.92 ratio is expected to be faster due to the better gearing for acceleration.

It's just really odd that they don't have more choices on the higher trim.
I was looking yesterday, and it appears you can't get the Night Edition on the Limited without having the damn Ram Boxes (which I don't want). You actually have more choices at a lower trim level.

My Limited doesn't have:
1. Parking sensors
2. Wireless Charging
3. Surround view cameras
4. Spray in bedliner
5. Power side steps

The list goes on and on.