Can... he... tow it?

[Gren71]

@31RamIt your making the truck work but not necessarily pushing the limits.

What they other members are saying is that anytime you change something it can effect the payload. Adding SPRUNG weight (weight that is above the springs) decreases the payload...heavier wheels do not as that is UNSPRUNG weight. The springs compression rate has a lot to do with the cargo capacity as well as the design of the truck its self. IE where the springs are mounted, how the vehicle reacts to weight, ect, ect. All of that is taken into account from the manufacturer to give you your cargo capacity. Unless something has changed the weight of a 150lbs driver and a full tank of fuel are already accounted for by the manufacturer and DO NOT take away from the payload. The weight of a wdh DOES since it is adding UNSPRUNG weight. The purpose of a wdh is to redistribute the load on the rear of the truck to the front axle of the truck, and the TT axle(s). The wdh does not take any weight away from the payload impact of the wdh + the tongue weight. (IE wdh = 90lbs // tongue= 700lbs you combine those and subtract that from your payload.)

towing and payload are a bit of a hornets nest..especially on forums. There is a lot of skepticism on where an owner can ADD to the payload with HD springs. Im not an expert and I always choose to air on the side of what I can afford...which aint much. So despite the cargomax springs advertising to add payload, I will always still operate inside the manufacturers stated payload and limitations. That being said the TT your looking to pull still fits within the stated limitations. The airbags and all just help the truck handle it better.

 

[31RamIt]

@31RamIt your making the truck work but not necessarily pushing the limits.

What they other members are saying is that anytime you change something it can effect the payload. Adding SPRUNG weight (weight that is above the springs) decreases the payload...heavier wheels do not as that is UNSPRUNG weight. The springs compression rate has a lot to do with the cargo capacity as well as the design of the truck its self. IE where the springs are mounted, how the vehicle reacts to weight, ect, ect. All of that is taken into account from the manufacturer to give you your cargo capacity. Unless something has changed the weight of a 150lbs driver and a full tank of fuel are already accounted for by the manufacturer and DO NOT take away from the payload. The weight of a wdh DOES since it is adding UNSPRUNG weight. The purpose of a wdh is to redistribute the load on the rear of the truck to the front axle of the truck, and the TT axle(s). The wdh does not take any weight away from the payload impact of the wdh + the tongue weight. (IE wdh = 90lbs // tongue= 700lbs you combine those and subtract that from your payload.)

towing and payload are a bit of a hornets nest..especially on forums. There is a lot of skepticism on where an owner can ADD to the payload with HD springs. Im not an expert and I always choose to air on the side of what I can afford...which aint much. So despite the cargomax springs advertising to add payload, I will always still operate inside the manufacturers stated payload and limitations. That being said the TT your looking to pull still fits within the stated limitations. The airbags and all just help the truck handle it better.

This is more intuitive for me, thank you. I think I will get the trailer and give her a go. I think it will be okay, but if it isn't I guess I have an excuse to get a 2500

 

[LaxDfns15]

Like he said, you're on a forum, and you're getting differing information. The only way to ever increase the Manufacturer's listed payload of your current truck is to sell it and buy a truck with a larger payload. Adding springs, airbags, and stiffer tires will only help the truck feel better while carrying/towing heavy. Despite what sprung or unsprung weight may be on your truck, it has a GVWR that is a legally defined number. Payload = GVWR - Curb Weight (truck with all fluids and zero passenger weight).

Without giving us the payload from your door jamb sticker we're all just playing guessing games.

 

[31RamIt]

Like he said, you're on a forum, and you're getting differing information. The only way to ever increase the Manufacturer's listed payload of your current truck is to sell it and buy a truck with a larger payload. Adding springs, airbags, and stiffer tires will only help the truck feel better while carrying/towing heavy. Despite what sprung or unsprung weight may be on your truck, it has a GVWR that is a legally defined number. Payload = GVWR - Curb Weight (truck with all fluids and zero passenger weight).

Without giving us the payload from your door jamb sticker we're all just playing guessing games.

I understand that. I'm just not home to get it or I would.

 

[rotwiler]

How would wheels/tires affect payload(weight of wheel tire combo), just trying to understand. I always thought was limits of everything above wheels. I have 21 Ram 1500 bighorn, qc 4x4 5.7, 3:92, tow package, sumo springs on back, 1940 pound cargo and 11440 tow cap. Going to tow a 5600 pound primetime trailer 26 foot max cap 7500. I never put more than 600 pounds in it and empty tanks, has the ez tow rear suspension that the wheels are farther apart. Towed last year with my 13 Qc 5.7 6 speed, 3:55, outdoorsman and towed excellent. Even is 40mph side winds by the Columbia River, towed better than my single axle 3000 pound trailer, it would sway.

 

[Davidbt]

How would wheels/tires affect payload(weight of wheel tire combo), just trying to understand. I always thought was limits of everything above wheels. I have 21 Ram 1500 bighorn, qc 4x4 5.7, 3:92, tow package, sumo springs on back, 1940 pound cargo and 11440 tow cap. Going to tow a 5600 pound primetime trailer 26 foot max cap 7500. I never put more than 600 pounds in it and empty tanks, has the ez tow rear suspension that the wheels are farther apart. Towed last year with my 13 Qc 5.7 6 speed, 3:55, outdoorsman and towed excellent. Even is 40mph side winds by the Columbia River, towed better than my single axle 3000 pound trailer, it would sway.

Sounds like you're setup should work fine with a WDH and sway control. Our travel trailer is 26' overall and 5,500lbs loaded for traveling. I added 10ply tires and Air Lyft 1000HD bags to help the little bit of squat. My crew cab handles it well. The truck feels planted.

 

[Willwork4truck]

You guys with all these towing and upgrade questions, you're killin' me.

Of course the ram can tow (insert trailer and/or weight)...

You all have such short memories, or maybe weren't even driving or born when Toyota answered this question
ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME...

Re: Oct 15, 2012
How A 5,600-Pound Toyota Towed A 292,000-Pound Space Shuttle

"Read More: How A 5,600-Pound Toyota Towed A 292,000-Pound Space Shuttle"

"I spoke with the chief engineer for the Tundra and had him explain how a truck with a 10,100 lb towing capacity can tow a 292,000 pound spaceship, and, in between his expected praise of the Tundra and Toyota's electronic limited-slip 4WD system, the essential truth is that pretty much any vehicle making roughly these torque numbers (around 400 lb-ft) could do this, at least on the dry, smooth tarmac of the street. You can see what he said for yourself right here."

 

[Davidbt]

You guys with all these towing and upgrade questions, you're killin'' me.

Of course the ram can tow (insert trailer and/or weight)...

You all have such short memories, or maybe weren't even driving or born when Toyota answered this question
ONCE AND FOR ALL TIME...

Re: Oct 15, 2012
How A 5,600-Pound Toyota Towed A 292,000-Pound Space Shuttle

"Read More: How A 5,600-Pound Toyota Towed A 292,000-Pound Space Shuttle"

"I spoke with the chief engineer for the Tundra and had him explain how a truck with a 10,100 lb towing capacity can tow a 292,000 pound spaceship, and, in between his expected praise of the Tundra and Toyota's electronic limited-slip 4WD system, the essential truth is that pretty much any vehicle making roughly these torque numbers (around 400 lb-ft) could do this, at least on the dry, smooth tarmac of the street. You can see what he said for yourself right here."

Oh, I was definitely around then

 

[Willwork4truck]

Only us gray hairs (or no hairs) remember this.
Now how to stop it on an incline would be the $64,000 question (oh, another oldie saying that the young bloods have never heard of).

The $64,000 Question is an American game show broadcast in primetime on CBS-TV from 1955 to 1958, which became embroiled in the 1950s quiz show scandals. Contestants answered general knowledge questions, earning money which doubled as the questions became more difficult. The final question had a top prize of $64,000 (equivalent to $750,000 in 2024), hence the "$64,000 Question" in the show's title.

(Wikipedia)

 

[ikreider]

If that is all you’re doing, run it. If you’re not comfortable then trade up to the 2500. We just got a 2024 grey wolf TT. 31.9’ long bumper to hitch I’ll be towing it with my 1500 limited, same as you, local only.