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Slow Hemi :(

Not when the lawn mower v6 trucks are zooming by me at said light
🤷‍♂️Just my opinion but racing from light to light is kind of pointless. Law enforcement comes down pretty hard on that sort of thing where I live. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Take one on a test drive, it couldn't hurt to see what it's like. No point in owning something you're not happy with. Personally I'm going to wait and see what the next couple years are going to bring. If the TRX comes back or an SRT 6.4 in the 1500, a small engine twin turbo won't do it for me
Personally, I wasn't impressed with the SO hurricane when I test drove one. Maybe I just expected too much based on comments from people who bought trucks with that engine. My butt dyno didn't notice enough of a difference to make me want to replace our Hemi equipped (non-etorque) 2020 Limited. I wanted to test drive something with the HO but they didn't have anything on the lot with that engine at the time.
 
Hemi made 345 HP that year. Try dropping 100 hp more before the Hemi. All that was available was a 318 and 360 peaking at 245 hp. Guys still did big lifts/tires, towed large loads back then with no complaints. My point was the current 395 hp Hemi although not a speed demon isn’t exactly lacking for power.
I had the 5.2 in my '97. That truck would do a great burnout, but that was about it as far as the fun-o-meter on the street was concerned. Don;t forget the Rams from that era weighed less than similar trucks from the DT generation... There is a lot more crap - accessories, electronics, etc- on the DTs
 
🤷‍♂️Just my opinion but racing from light to light is kind of pointless.

I get wanting to accelerate fast when the light turns green, I do that. And you don't need a more powerful engine to do so, just an eye on the light, quick reaction time, and good pedal control where you can find the sweet spots. And if I estimate that the light will be red when I get to the next one, I just coast. Who cares if one maybe two vehicles pass me, I'm not trying to race anyone.

What I don't get is the people racing to the red light and then slamming on the brakes at the last second. I guess they just want to waste money in fuel, brake pads, tires, etc.

I'm at 154k miles, and my OEM brake pads are still have a ton of miles in them. It's also nice that the cruise control will downshift the transmission automatically so that I don't have to use the brakes as much driving in the mountains or hilly areas.
 
So I’ve done some stuff to try and increase the performance of my ram rebel which has the 3.92 gears. Did long tubes, full exhaust, CAI, hemifever tune and maybe some other small things im forgetting. I’m sure I gained a little off my 0-60 and 1/4 mile BUT, when comparing it even now to the newer rams with the hurricane times this thing still seems slow :(… I love the V8 sound don’t get me wrong but for me to match the performance of the hurricane rams or even the ford f150 ecoboost, I would have to spend 10k to supercharge this truck just for it to keep up…just kind of sucks that all of those small engine twin turbos are putting the big V8s to shame right now
Harvey, thanks for sharing your personal experience with trying to extract more HP/TQ from our beloved 5.7L Hemi's. I did similar mods to my 2019, minus the longtube headers simply because they take away some low-to-mid range TQ. Instead, I installed a catback Corsa Performance exhaust. I had the S&B CAI and Hemifever tune which really woke the truck up especially the trans--it was a significance difference in feel and shifting. The engine tune made a good bit of difference too. I really enjoyed not having a top speed limiter. Hemifevers brings the good indeed.

However, the overall reality is the 5.7 is just to expensive to mod and reap what performance measures you are desiring and really, as others have mentioned, if you want a performance truck with a V8, then it is and will always be a TRX supercharged 6.2L. Your 2nd best option is in fact the Hurricane 3.0L SST H.O. It is by far well ahead of the 5.7L Hemi will ever be out of the box and it mods and responds to those mods for fractions on the dollar. It is an amazing, over-engineered, fully forged motor, built on BMWs philosophy of inline six performance and reliability. Being an owner of this amazing motor/trans tech, it is truly on another level than the 5.7L will ever be old and new--there is no comparison. You have to experience it first-hand to understand. I was hesitant until I drove the Limited I own today--the yesteryear personal must-haves "I have to have a V8", faded away quickly. However, it was far too stealth and quiet for me and so I opted for AWEs full cat-back exhaust and boy, did that wake the motor up--the sound and difference is obvious. Think of the sound comparable to BMWs M-series performance lineup, that is how it sounds at WOT and the quick shift between gear blurbs is magical! Out with old and in with the new. I love my 2025 RAM SST H.O.! Next is the $650 Diablosport CAT6 and $350 K&N. That adds nearly 80hp & 100+tq.

Happy searching...
 
Hemi made 345 HP that year. Try dropping 100 hp more before the Hemi. All that was available was a 318 and 360 peaking at 245 hp. Guys still did big lifts/tires, towed large loads back then with no complaints. My point was the current 395 hp Hemi although not a speed demon isn’t exactly lacking for power.

I had a 2000 Ram work truck(3) with both the 318, 360 and the v6, they were dogs even with 15" wheels and in work truck trim, ie, light weight. Lacking for power is subjective, the 5.7 in these trucks have no mid range power to me. I'm not looking for racecar in a 5500 lb truck but I want more than the 5.7 offers
 
🤷‍♂️Just my opinion but racing from light to light is kind of pointless. Law enforcement comes down pretty hard on that sort of thing where I live. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.


Personally, I wasn't impressed with the SO hurricane when I test drove one. Maybe I just expected too much based on comments from people who bought trucks with that engine. My butt dyno didn't notice enough of a difference to make me want to replace our Hemi equipped (non-etorque) 2020 Limited. I wanted to test drive something with the HO but they didn't have anything on the lot with that engine at the time.


I don’t actively look to street race, however when I’m getting on the freeway I hate getting tailgated trying to get on by the 90mph trucks cars etc, I’m in the capital for speeding and hectic freeways (Dallas Ft worth area)
 
I had a 2000 Ram work truck(3) with both the 318, 360 and the v6, they were dogs even with 15" wheels and in work truck trim, ie, light weight. Lacking for power is subjective, the 5.7 in these trucks have no mid range power to me. I'm not looking for racecar in a 5500 lb truck but I want more than the 5.7 offers

Agree and this is the point I’m trying to make however, some folks in this forum would be fine with 100hp long as it has the hemi badge.. lol iT WoRkS FoR mE WhY yoU nEEd tO gO thAt FaST AnyWAys…😂
 
Agree and this is the point I’m trying to make however, some folks in this forum would be fine with 100hp long as it has the hemi badge.. lol iT WoRkS FoR mE WhY yoU nEEd tO gO thAt FaST AnyWAys…😂

Im am as mopar as one can be but I can admit that the 5.7 in these trucks is weak. I had a 73 charger in HS that came with a 318, swapped that for a RHS 360 (RHS was a subsidiary of comp cams that built high performance engines in the 90's) then a 440 and from there it was a 89 Shelby Daytona. I love mopar but the 5.7 hemi in trucks is a dog, its a vast improvement over the 5.2 and 5.9 but that's it. I bought a 2003 for the new body style but mainly the HEMI. That said, the HEMI's intake ports are simply too large for a street engine in a heavy truck, this is why the engine feels lazy. Dodge tried using VVT and an adaptive intake to help with this and it did but the ports are still too large.

Large cfm intake ports make great power up top but they suck down low as there's no port velocity and port velocity is what promotes cylinder fill which is what makes low speed torque. Dodge needed a different head for the heavy trucks, the Eagle head is 215 CC and flows 330 cfm at .600 valve lift. That's a decently flowing head on a performance application but too much for 345" in a heavy truck and the way this trucks drives show that. For comparison, my LS heads flow ~400 cfm with a 285 cc port and that port is really too big for my engine that's 450".
No way a 5.7 needs that much port NA but throw boost at the HEMI heads and they absolutely scream which is why the hellcat engines run so well. I don't believe the SRT 6.4 would make these trucks any better as the 6.4s TQ curve is even further up in the RPM range which is fine for the cars but you don't want that in a truck.

The only way to make the 5.7 "better" is with boost; you'd only need about 5 lbs. For me, just looking at either of the hurricane twins dyno curves, both are superior to the HEMI.
I don't buy the longevity claims either as the engine is overbuilt but also, reading here, many people aren't keeping these trucks long enough for any "long term" problems to be an issue.
My next truck will likely be a tungsten with the HO and as mopar as I am (I'd love to build a 68-70 Charger with Hellcat variant), I won't miss the 5.7 HEMI in these trucks
 
Im am as mopar as one can be but I can admit that the 5.7 in these trucks is weak. I had a 73 charger in HS that came with a 318, swapped that for a RHS 360 (RHS was a subsidiary of comp cams that built high performance engines in the 90's) then a 440 and from there it was a 89 Shelby Daytona. I love mopar but the 5.7 hemi in trucks is a dog, its a vast improvement over the 5.2 and 5.9 but that's it. I bought a 2003 for the new body style but mainly the HEMI. That said, the HEMI's intake ports are simply too large for a street engine in a heavy truck, this is why the engine feels lazy. Dodge tried using VVT and an adaptive intake to help with this and it did but the ports are still too large.

Large cfm intake ports make great power up top but they suck down low as there's no port velocity and port velocity is what promotes cylinder fill which is what makes low speed torque. Dodge needed a different head for the heavy trucks, the Eagle head is 215 CC and flows 330 cfm at .600 valve lift. That's a decently flowing head on a performance application but too much for 345" in a heavy truck and the way this trucks drives show that. For comparison, my LS heads flow ~400 cfm with a 285 cc port and that port is really too big for my engine that's 450".
No way a 5.7 needs that much port NA but throw boost at the HEMI heads and they absolutely scream which is why the hellcat engines run so well. I don't believe the SRT 6.4 would make these trucks any better as the 6.4s TQ curve is even further up in the RPM range which is fine for the cars but you don't want that in a truck.

The only way to make the 5.7 "better" is with boost; you'd only need about 5 lbs. For me, just looking at either of the hurricane twins dyno curves, both are superior to the HEMI.
I don't buy the longevity claims either as the engine is overbuilt but also, reading here, many people aren't keeping these trucks long enough for any "long term" problems to be an issue.
My next truck will likely be a tungsten with the HO and as mopar as I am (I'd love to build a 68-70 Charger with Hellcat variant), I won't miss the 5.7 HEMI in these trucks

Thanks for the reply, you know your stuff
 
I hate getting tailgated trying to get on by the 90mph trucks cars etc, I’m in the capital for speeding and hectic freeways (Dallas Ft worth area)

My stock Hemi 1500 gets up to and maintains 90 quite easily 🤷‍♂️ (I do get premium fuel at the pump, which might make a difference. I also have a truck bed cover which might also be reducing drag.)

I definitely agree about Dallas freeways being hectic; I'm not a fan of driving through Dallas.
 
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You can make the hemi faster if that’s what you’re after, the answer will be to put a blower on it. It will cost you some coin and may affect warranty (although I think there are some units you can put on that won’t, don’t quote me on that).

You may also just want to trade the truck in and get something else, like others have said. It’s honestly the easiest way to get the result you want. I would say that just Personally I’m not sold on the low displacement high boost motors being a better replacement for v8 motors. That’s a lot more heat, stress and complicated moving parts to worry about. I’m betting average failure rates of those motors and/or associated parts will ultimately be higher than in the v8 platform. I plan on keeping mine a good long time so I like my heni, although I agree it’s pretty average in terms of performance.

You may also need a toy to go fast in. Any big, heavy, poor handling truck you buy is only goijg to do so much performance wise. Maybe you need an old Camaro with a small block or an LS motor and a pro charger to play with…
 
I don’t actively look to street race, however when I’m getting on the freeway I hate getting tailgated trying to get on by the 90mph trucks cars etc, I’m in the capital for speeding and hectic freeways (Dallas Ft worth area)
I mean, you’re the one who mentioned people zooming by you at stop lights. Who said anything about street racing? Freeways here have 70 mph speed limits, and are heavily patrolled. I have no problem getting to those speeds with any of the vehicles we own except for an 89 Honda Prelude 2.0Si 4WS. I have that car more for nostalgic reasons and it spends most of its time on twisty mountain roads. It’s not fast but it handles like a go cart.

I don’t see myself ever getting anywhere near Texas with my vehicles so I guess I’m good with the 5.7 Hemi. :)
 
So I’ve done some stuff to try and increase the performance of my ram rebel which has the 3.92 gears. Did long tubes, full exhaust, CAI, hemifever tune and maybe some other small things im forgetting. I’m sure I gained a little off my 0-60 and 1/4 mile BUT, when comparing it even now to the newer rams with the hurricane times this thing still seems slow :(… I love the V8 sound don’t get me wrong but for me to match the performance of the hurricane rams or even the ford f150 ecoboost, I would have to spend 10k to supercharge this truck just for it to keep up…just kind of sucks that all of those small engine twin turbos are putting the big V8s to shame right now
CAM? PORTED HEAD/CRACKING IT OPEN INTERNALLY AND GETTING SERIOUS IS THE NEXT STEP IF YOU WANT TO GO FAST

AND OF COURSE N/A IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU A WHOLE LOT
 
I have had about five V8's that had power and speed to spare. Three of those were Dodge engines pre-hemi. The others were in different brands. Same deal there.

This is my second turbo based engine, and no issues with either. The Hurricane is definitely the better of the two.

There's just not enough difference in any them to make me want to change either way. If my '25 had the Hemi, I'd be just as happy.

Everyone has given excellent information on both sides. You're just going to have to scratch your own itch. Do what makes you content.
 
Totally get you—I've got a similarly modded HEMI and it still feels sluggish next to the twin-turbo stuff. Love the V8 rumble, but yeah, it sucks seeing smaller engines walk away unless you drop serious cash. Turbo tech has really changed the game.
 
Totally get you—I've got a similarly modded HEMI and it still feels sluggish next to the twin-turbo stuff. Love the V8 rumble, but yeah, it sucks seeing smaller engines walk away unless you drop serious cash. Turbo tech has really changed the game.
It’s like the 1980’s all over again. Remember the Buick Grand National and even better the GNX? With a turbo V6 they annihilated everything on the road even the Corvette. Drove them nuts. Good times.😎
 
The hemi used to be the wankpanzer…now it’s the v6 turbo trucks blasting by our under powered hemi lol
I'm sorry, no offence was intended. I have just found out that the term is generic in the US and I thought it was specific to the Cybertruck! Any gas engine is going to look pitiful in a traffic light Grand Prix against an electric motor.
 
Totally get you—I've got a similarly modded HEMI and it still feels sluggish next to the twin-turbo stuff. Love the V8 rumble, but yeah, it sucks seeing smaller engines walk away unless you drop serious cash. Turbo tech has really changed the game.
Coming from the Old Country, small engines and turbos are the norm. They have their uses but are a nightmare when they go wrong. For standing starts they weren't the best because of the way a turbo works, but once you got past the lag - oh boy, it was like lashing the missus with a leather belt... :censored:
 

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