Best Oil for Hemi "Tick"

[Syrio]

nope no disabling MDS
I use what the SRT engine uses and so far it's been great.
i used mobil1 or liqui molly 0-40 when i could find it, and liqui molly 5-40.

I just purchased some Mobil 1 Euro Spec 0w40 oil from Canadian Tire. Factory oil filter from Ram and ordered an oil test kit from wearcheck.ca

I am going to take an oil sample of my current oil PUP 5w20 and switch to the 0w40 now that I am out of warranty. I want to see if it quiets the engine down.

Your information is always helpful boogielander. I appreciate it.

 

[boogielander]

I just purchased some Mobil 1 Euro Spec 0w40 oil from Canadian Tire. Factory oil filter from Ram and ordered an oil test kit from wearcheck.ca

I am going to take an oil sample of my current oil PUP 5w20 and switch to the 0w40 now that I am out of warranty. I want to see if it quiets the engine down.

Your information is always helpful boogielander. I appreciate it.

thanks!
let me know how it goes for oil analysis!

im not expecting to hold on to this truck for as long as I planned so i haven't done it yet hahaha

 

[RAL]

No. HPL has proven success, no religion required.


The reality is, many people are experience lifter failures. We don't have proof of why, but we do have at least one engineers/machinist expert analysis which said (paraphrasing): "there was sufficient oil, but the oil failed to meet the demands". In other words, viscosity and oil choice/formula is very important, HPL is just at the top of the formula food chain, and 30 grade is better than 20 grade. If you're like me and want to give your engine every chance of hitting 300k+ miles, then you don't play games with oil or try to save money or reduce the viscosity to save $5/year on fuel.


No it's not irrelevant. It's just even more proof that viscosity is required when the materials start to degrade which is what these hemi's have been doing for years. We don't know what fails first; does the weak cam take out the lifter, or does the lifter take out the cam? Maybe some fail the cam first and others the lifters. You simply cannot make that statement with any authority that it will fail on 30 grade if it would on 20.


Yeah that's kinda the point. But half of your "facts", aren't.

We are beyond the point of useful discussion. You have anointed yourself as more knowledgeable than the manufacturers so it is what it is. If you want to sell everyone on the need for 5w30 and HPL, then do so but it is not necessary for the vast majority of users - it is more costly for no appreciable benefit in a non commercial context. And again, if you use a shop and the truck is under warranty, expect quizzical looks and grief when you ask to use a non-Spec oil but disregard that too because these shops are all obviously fools too.

As long as we are in the realm of unreliable anecdotal evidence, instead of the controlled testing the majors do when making a viscosity recommendation, my truck has 50k on it now. I use a good 5w20 synthetic as specified. I tow a dual horse bumper pull trailer, and an open car trailer, regularly and it is quiet as a church mouse. No oil useage. Temp never gets above high 220s.

One other question I would ask: how many cars or trucks have you taken to 200k or beyond? If you have, then you know that while certainly engines can fail due to lack of maintenance, if they receive even a modest level of maintenance they are generally reliable in the sense they will continue to run. The issues that kill old cars are labor intensive engine oil or driveline leaks, transmission failures, AC and heater core overhaul, general cosmetic wear (ie paint failure on horizontal surfaces) the seats and suspension get worn out - point is overhauling these things from a cost perspective makes it logical to retire the vehicle. Having taken three cars to 250k or greater, that colors my analysis about how crazy one needs to go with engine oil. You can have a perfect motor at 400k (very unlikely) but the rest of the car is toast. This is why this is all classic over think, but it is what it is. Take care.

 

[silver billet]

We are beyond the point of useful discussion. You have anointed yourself as more knowledgeable than the manufacturers so it is what it is.

I stopped reading your BS right there. Not going to read the read the rest of what you wrote.

 

[HSKR R/T]

We are beyond the point of useful discussion. You have anointed yourself as more knowledgeable than the manufacturers so it is what it is. If you want to sell everyone on the need for 5w30 and HPL, then do so but it is not necessary for the vast majority of users - it is more costly for no appreciable benefit in a non commercial context. And again, if you use a shop and the truck is under warranty, expect quizzical looks and grief when you ask to use a non-Spec oil but disregard that too because these shops are all obviously fools too.

As long as we are in the realm of unreliable anecdotal evidence, instead of the controlled testing the majors do when making a viscosity recommendation, my truck has 50k on it now. I use a good 5w20 synthetic as specified. I tow a dual horse bumper pull trailer, and an open car trailer, regularly and it is quiet as a church mouse. No oil useage. Temp never gets above high 220s.

One other question I would ask: how many cars or trucks have you taken to 200k or beyond? If you have, then you know that while certainly engines can fail due to lack of maintenance, if they receive even a modest level of maintenance they are generally reliable in the sense they will continue to run. The issues that kill old cars are labor intensive engine oil or driveline leaks, transmission failures, AC and heater core overhaul, general cosmetic wear (ie paint failure on horizontal surfaces) the seats and suspension get worn out - point is overhauling these things from a cost perspective makes it logical to retire the vehicle. Having taken three cars to 250k or greater, that colors my analysis about how crazy one needs to go with engine oil. You can have a perfect motor at 400k (very unlikely) but the rest of the car is toast. This is why this is all classic over think, but it is what it is. Take care.

If you take care of your vehicle as well as you take care of your engine it will last well beyond 250k miles. I have a 1999 Dakota R/T with 180k mikes, no rust, but does have paint issues(lack of upkeep by previous owners), and a 2000 Dakota R/T with 170k miles and no rust. Only paint issues are in the big flat fiberglass bed cover.

 

[RAL]

If you take care of your vehicle as well as you take care of your engine it will last well beyond 250k miles. I have a 1999 Dakota R/T with 180k mikes, no rust, but does have paint issues(lack of upkeep by previous owners), and a 2000 Dakota R/T with 170k miles and no rust. Only paint issues are in the big flat fiberglass bed cover.

Respectfully my experience is that even with Toyota pick ups or 4Runners, once you get north of 250k they require a lot of overhaul and repair to be turn key reliable, and even there they still look like old trucks so it’s time for a fresh vehicle.

 

[RAL]

I stopped reading your BS right there. Not going to read the read the rest of what you wrote.

This is what folks say when they lack a coherent response.

 

[silver billet]

This is what folks say when they lack a coherent response.

That's what folks say when posts get personal and you just say whatever pops into your head.

 

[HSKR R/T]

Respectfully my experience is that even with Toyota pick ups or 4Runners, once you get north of 250k they require a lot of overhaul and repair to be turn key reliable, and even there they still look like old trucks so it’s time for a fresh vehicle.

Toyota definitely isn't the end all be all best vehicles. Not sure why people feel the need to mention them anytime reliability is brought up. Regular maintenance, replacing parts before they are totally worn out, thorough washes, .......... But, I guess at that point, it's about how much you like the vehicle. And then wonder why you even kept it that long. I've got a 1966 Dodge D100 Still going strong after 60 years. Has some rust issues, but nothing terrible.

 

[boogielander]

Toyota definitely isn't the end all be all best vehicles. Not sure why people feel the need to mention them anytime reliability is brought up. Regular maintenance, replacing parts before they are totally worn out, thorough washes, .......... But, I guess at that point, it's about how much you like the vehicle. And then wonder why you even kept it that long. I've got a 1966 Dodge D100 Still going strong after 60 years. Has some rust issues, but nothing terrible.

i always say "toyota owners are in a cult called "toyota = reliable"
i only say that because fixing these toyotas is what our master tech does 4 days a week... while we have Ram and Jeeps soldiering on past 300k miles with regular maintenance done according to the book intervals... and all of them use at least 5-30 (well 0-20 wasn't printed on the book back then)

 

[Montana_]

i always say "toyota owners are in a cult called "toyota = reliable"
i only say that because fixing these toyotas is what our master tech does 4 days a week... while we have Ram and Jeeps soldiering on past 300k miles with regular maintenance done according to the book intervals... and all of them use at least 5-30 (well 0-20 wasn't printed on the book back then)

It's 100% a cult. I had one, the forums are littered with the mindset that it's the most reliable vehicles ever...

...followed by the rusted frame threads and random other quality concern threads that every manufacturer has plus normal high maintenance stuff. They are no different than any other brand, maybe worse now that some with the new Tacoma's and Tundra's.

 

[SD Rebel]

It's 100% a cult. I had one, the forums are littered with the mindset that it's the most reliable vehicles ever...

...followed by the rusted frame threads and random other quality concern threads that every manufacturer has plus normal high maintenance stuff. They are no different than any other brand, maybe worse now that some with the new Tacoma's and Tundra's.

As a previous and current Toyota owner, in two different countries, I will say, there is a bias where Toyota owners believe their vehicles are so reliable that when they do have issues, they almost pretend it didn't happen.

My buddy's Tacoma has some issues early on in his ownership, but he often talks about how reliable it is, I have to remind him about the issues he had at the beginning, and it takes him a second to remember, like he made himself forget it actually wasn't perfect.

When I was back in the Philippines recently, one of my relatives who owns a Toyota Hilux Conquest made fun of another relative's Ford Ranger Wildtrak, telling him his alternator issue proves his Ford was nothing but problems. But his Toyota also had a similar issue in the past, but somehow made himself forget it happened.

Of course this "cult of personality" didn't come from nowhere. Toyota has a solid reputation of reliability and durability, decades of ownership data backs that up. But it's gone beyond reality to religion for some people.

 

[Montana_]

As a previous and current Toyota owner, in two different countries, I will say, there is a bias where Toyota owners believe their vehicles are so reliable that when they do have issues, they almost pretend it didn't happen.

My buddy's Tacoma has some issues early on in his ownership, but he often talks about how reliable it is, I have to remind him about the issues he had at the beginning, and it takes him a second to remember, like he made himself forget it actually wasn't perfect.

When I was back in the Philippines recently, one of my relatives who owns a Toyota Hilux Conquest made fun of another relative's Ford Ranger Wildtrak, telling him his alternator issue proves his Ford was nothing but problems. But his Toyota also had a similar issue in the past, but somehow made himself forget it happened.

Of course this "cult of personality" didn't come from nowhere. Toyota has a solid reputation of reliability and durability, decades of ownership data backs that up. But it's gone beyond reality to religion for some people.

Yea and I should have specified the reliability didn't just come out of nowhere too. Good point. There was a very long period across earth where Toyota was widely regarded as reliable. But in the past decade, it's a toss up, and now especially post COVID, nobody is special. They all suck equally lol.

 

[alasehh]

Mobil 1 0w40

 

[silver billet]

It's 100% a cult. I had one, the forums are littered with the mindset that it's the most reliable vehicles ever...

...followed by the rusted frame threads and random other quality concern threads that every manufacturer has plus normal high maintenance stuff. They are no different than any other brand, maybe worse now that some with the new Tacoma's and Tundra's.

They've had their share of issues no doubt. But they get some winners too, there are a few "million mile" tundra's out there now and those v8s are quite a nice step up above the hemi when it comes to reliability and engine life.

They also use stronger rear axles in their Tundra's.

Most of their reputation though is due to running really old production lines for long times; work out the bugs, then run with it forever. Not the place to be if you want "latest and greatest".

 

[RAL]

That's what folks say when posts get personal and you just say whatever pops into your head.

Actually it’s what folks say when people get tired of you brow beating everyone about oil and making people crazy thinking the factory oil specs are a conspiracy. Lifter failures in these trucks are a manufacturing defect. They are not a lubrication issue. Used to have the same debate in the racing community about BMW cams back in the 80s and 90s A lot of apologists blamed the oil because BMW couldn’t screw up right but the issue was really improper metallurgy / hardening.

Modern engines and lubricants are so far ahead of where we were say 20 years ago that 100k is considered newish, 200k is not unreasonable. Part of that, a big part, is far superior synthetic lubricants that maintain viscosity and film strength over a tremendously broad temp spectrum. The other part is simply better and more consistent manufacturing. Point is there is no need for the vast majority of owners to over think motor oil.

As far as Toyota goes, I agree they are not the end all and be all, but I also think it is fair to say they are generally considered reliable and well made. But they require repairs annd maintenance too, and that can be costly. And at 250k-300k miles, they are worn out, just like the last Ram I owned (288k before rusted doors and trans and frame rust killed it). Engine still ran fine. This is why I don’t overthink oil. Keep it clean and keep it full, run a good synthetic. Also if you are always up near the towing limit of a half ton, so your oil temps are so high, get a 3/4 ton for additional safety margin. It’s not a question of what you can pull, it’s a question of what you can control,

 

[SD Rebel]

They've had their share of issues no doubt. But they get some winners too, there are a few "million mile" tundra's out there now and those v8s are quite a nice step up above the hemi when it comes to reliability and engine life.

They also use stronger rear axles in their Tundra's.

Most of their reputation though is due to running really old production lines for long times; work out the bugs, then run with it forever. Not the place to be if you want "latest and greatest".

100% in regards to running older and simpler products for a long time that have worked out all the kinks. Especially in other markets they have vehicles that are several steps below their main competitors in terms of technology, but this has its advantages in less things to go wrong. You get a lower quality driving experience but have the confidence you bought a vehicle not likely to have issues down the line. This is part of their mystique and adds high resale value to their used products.

It was that way for a lot of their US product line, until recently that is. Interesting to see how that plays out in the long run they are finally matching current tech and conveniences, such as a self locking tail gate on their Tacomas lol. (It always bothered me that the Tacoma until recently required a key to lock & unlock the tailgate in this day of age.)

 

[silver billet]

Actually it’s what folks say when people get tired of you brow beating everyone about oil

Again, not reading the rest of your post. Argue the facts.

 

[boogielander]

It's 100% a cult. I had one, the forums are littered with the mindset that it's the most reliable vehicles ever...

...followed by the rusted frame threads and random other quality concern threads that every manufacturer has plus normal high maintenance stuff. They are no different than any other brand, maybe worse now that some with the new Tacoma's and Tundra's.

yeah i had one too.
it is hilarious to watch. it is also funny when everyone at the offroad and repair shop im at fix and build lots of 4runners, GX, LX, LC, Tundra, Tacos, but NO ONE has one of those anymore.
now it's Jeep 392, Jeep JT rubi, Ram 1500 DT, and Jeep JL Rubi.

when the techs who go offroad don't even have yota products... you know what's up hahaha

As a previous and current Toyota owner, in two different countries, I will say, there is a bias where Toyota owners believe their vehicles are so reliable that when they do have issues, they almost pretend it didn't happen.

My buddy's Tacoma has some issues early on in his ownership, but he often talks about how reliable it is, I have to remind him about the issues he had at the beginning, and it takes him a second to remember, like he made himself forget it actually wasn't perfect.

When I was back in the Philippines recently, one of my relatives who owns a Toyota Hilux Conquest made fun of another relative's Ford Ranger Wildtrak, telling him his alternator issue proves his Ford was nothing but problems. But his Toyota also had a similar issue in the past, but somehow made himself forget it happened.

Of course this "cult of personality" didn't come from nowhere. Toyota has a solid reputation of reliability and durability, decades of ownership data backs that up. But it's gone beyond reality to religion for some people.

toyota DID have a solid reputation before, i mean look at those hiluxes in the middle east running around for so long. I highly doubt they be doing oil changes and other basic maintenance in the war zone lol and they still going strong.
even the Camry and Corollas (the "reliable" ride for the common people), there are years to be avoided.

but it was a solid observation with people "conveniently" forget about the things that go wrong lol

 

[RAL]

Again, not reading the rest of your post. Argue the facts.

I did, you just ignore them.