Toy Hauler

[Ihaveagibsonsg]

I have a 19' 5th gen 4x4 Hemi crew 6'4" big horn. Max payload is 1710 and towing is 11,800. I also have a 2019 classic eco diesel crew 4x2 Laramie, max payload 1350 and towing 9,100.

I want to get a toy hauler to haul my kawasaki teryx4. It weighs 1,700 lbs, 126" long and 60" wide. My wife daughter and I would be roughly 450 lbs of payload.

Any toy 1500 towable toy haulers out there where I can be under factory payload? Payload seems to be the limiting factor on 1500 trucks.

 

[Aseras]

Payload is only impacted by the tongue weight. If you use a WD hitch that works properly every thing short of the biggest toy haulers should be ok if loaded and working properly. But you will be bumping the limits.

Definitely invest in a good hitch and weigh it with a tongue weight scale if you have doubts or before you sink the money into the trailer. There's a lot of toy haulers and 5th wheels that advertise tongue weights that are several hundred pounds heavier in real life.

 

[devildodge]

Just want to show you a quick math problem for both of your trucks

Tow rating equals GCWR minus base weight.

Another.

Base weight equals GVWR minus payload.

So 7100 minus 1710 equals 5390.

I do not see your listed rear gear...but...5390 plus 11800 equals 17190...which means you have 3.92 rear gear...but you must have rounded your numbers as the calculation is 190pounds off.

See how you can not tow a 11800 lb trailer. The 11800 is everything in the truck, the hitch, the tongue weight and the trailer.

You can do the math for your ecoD.

Tow haulers are very tongue heavy...until you put the toy in.

so with your 450lb payload of family that leaves you with 1260lbs for TW and WDH.

WDH usually weighs 100 to 120 lbs. So 1160 left for tongue weight. Back calculate at 15% tongue weight and you have 7700lb GVWR trailer as max.

So look for a toy hauler with a max GVWR of 7700lbs. Note...this is the fully loaded weight to include your 1700lb Kawasaki.

So you need one with an unlaiden weight of no more than 6000lbs...but you will also need camping stuff...so unlaiden weight of at max 5500lbs and pack light.

 

[Ihaveagibsonsg]

Well. I'm going to go check out a 2500 Hemi and diesel. I'm disappointed the diesel 2500 has such low payload.

 

[devildodge]

Note that a 2500 Cummins will have a low payload too. Especially in the upper trims.

The 6.4l will be around 3000 in a Bighorn

 

[silver billet]

Well. I'm going to go check out a 2500 Hemi and diesel. I'm disappointed the diesel 2500 has such low payload.

It's that way for every brand of truck; the diesel is a heavy pig compared to the base gas engine; a heavy diesel comes off your available payload, the more engine you carry, the less cargo you can carry.

Otherwise consider a 3500. It's somewhat in the same price range but has much more payload (at the expense of rougher ride quality when empty, which may not bother you)

 

[Ihaveagibsonsg]

I gotta commute 240 miles a week in this truck so I would prefer the softer ride. I think I'm gonna go for a gas 2500. My friends 2020 chevy 2500 diesel has 3,000 payload. I can't swallow that ugly pill though. Its gotta be the ugliest vehicle on the road since the Pontiac Aztec.

I'm just concerned about gas engine longevity. I see all kinds of pre 2012 Ram 2500 diesels driving around but I don't remember the gas motors being all that popular. I do see several 4th gen gassers on the road. I wanna get 300k miles from my HD pickup.

I plan on getting a real basic toy hauler. Its just for my wife, daughter and I. We want to explore Utah, Colorado, Wyoming and Montana so we can find somewhere to get outta So-Cal.

 

[devildodge]

1985 Dodge Power ram W250 360 4bl 4spd. Over 250k when I sold it to the next guy.

1999 Dodge Ram 2500 8.0l V10 Magnum 5 speed 245k still own it. Rust is taking over...waiting for restoration

2003 Dodge Ram 2500 5.7l Hemi 154k. Still have it.

2015 Ram 2500 6.4l HEMI 145k still working hard every day. And it is daily driven


Had this 2013 Cummins. Sold after 1 year and 35000 miles...

The Gas engines are reliable and useable.

The new 6.4l with 8 spd is a true workhorse.

And I would love to see your friends Chevy doorsticker with 3000lb payload

 

[silver billet]

They Chevy 2500 is definitely.... interesting. I thought I remember reading something about Chevy redefining what they consider a 2500, and I think they actually are more of a heavier truck now, almost in 3500 territory? Could be wrong.

There are guys on the GM forum with diesels and 3000+ pounds of payload:

What is your 2020's ACTUAL Payload?

Okay, so we all know that what's in the published specs is rarely the real payload of the truck. For those of you lucky enough to have your 2020 HDs delivered already, could you please share what your configuration and trim level are, and what does the door sticker say your payload and tow rating...

www.gm-trucks.com

 

[jdefoe0424]

You all have to remember that Ram is the only manufacturer which has a coil spring 2500, it has a better ride unloaded but also less payload capacity.

 

[devildodge]

No it doesnt. 2012 ram 2500 with leaf spring 8800 GVWR
2015 ram 2500 coil spring GVWR 10000.

There is no loss of payload in a 2500 with coil springs.

I forgot till @silver billet reminded me. Chevy just increased their GVWR. Ram will soon too.

I own a 1999 and 2003 Dodge 2500 with leaf springs. I own a 2015 with coil springs. The 2015 hauls 3000lbs in the bed better than either of the other 2

 

[jdefoe0424]

When compared to other manufacturers it does.
For a 2500 CC 4x4 8' gas truck:
RAM 3,160
GM 3,862
Diesels are even farther apart.

3500 SRW DRW
RAM 4,440 6,700
GM 4,398 6,610

 

[devildodge]

Come back with the GVWR of those chevys and the base weight.

I do not feel like downloading their charts.

 

[devildodge]

I repair rail cars for a living. They use coil springs.

 

[jdefoe0424]

So GM 2500/3500 with the gas motor is 24k gross combined
RAM SRW is 24k and DRW is 25k gross combined

GMC 2500 GVWR 10,650
RAM 2500 GVWR 10,000

That's weird on the GMC as it puts it over 10k and into the next reg class

3500
RAM GVWR
SRW 11,400
DRW 14,000

GMC
SRW 11,500
DRW 14,000

 

[silver billet]

I repair rail cars for a living. They use coil springs.

That's awesome, I will use that for the next time I get some clueless dolt talking trash about my coil springs.

Do you have any idea on the physics/reasons why coils ride better than leafs? Is it just because there is more "spring" or available height for the spring to travel? I generally see less available "vertical movement" in leafs vs springs.

 

[devildodge]

@jdefoe0424 do you see now that it isnt the coils are lower capability but Chevy is rated for more GVWR.

For instance. A 2nd Gen RAM 1500 is rated 6400 Gross 3rd gen the same and 4thgen 6900.

Now the 5th Gen is 7100. But a limited can habe only 900lbs payload. But it isnt the coil springs...it is because the limited weighs 6200lbs. So a limited with a 6400 GVwr would have 200lbs payload.

I hope this is making sense.

A tradesman 1500 quad 2wd can have 2300 lbs of payload...which ia more than some diesel 2500 trucks. It has coil springs. It is because it only weighs 4600lbs.

And as you see thee RAMS are rated more Gross combined than the Chevy

So my guess is thr Chevy has a higher GVWr and weighs less .

Has nothing to do with the coils.

 

[jdefoe0424]

Yeah, I had made the assumption that the GVWR's were the same...as they typically are with vehicles in the same class.

 

[devildodge]

It was just this year Chevy did that. I forgot. But I knew there was a reason.

The powerwagon is 8650...which is why its payload is so low. And it is 8650 because of the flexy suspension and disconnecting sway bars.

 

[Ihaveagibsonsg]

Well 2500 negotiations haven't been going well. I found this toy hauler and it looks like it might work....

2021 Forest River No Boundaries 19.1 Toy Hauler Travel Trailer​

• UVW 4,482 lbs.
• Hitch Weight 720 lbs.
• GVWR 7,720 lbs.
• Cargo Capacity 3,238 lbs.