Wow. That's probably why you can get such good fuel economyWay lighter. My payload is 1,680 !
Wow. That's probably why you can get such good fuel economyWay lighter. My payload is 1,680 !
Sheesh, I thought my limited 4x was low... payload pic below. (1475 lbs)That’s an amazing amount of extra weight added with air suspension and other toys and payload/towing ability lost!
Aren't you just leasing it?I grew up a diesel fan. My father has been a heavy equipment mechanic for 45 years. I have driven many diesels, but I've only owned 2 diesel Jeeps and now this EcoDiesel. There is no question that this engine tows better and sounds amazing. I really love the industrial feel and torque.
Having said that, if I was doing it over again I would probably have kept my Gladiator. I could live with 12 MPG towing and 16 MPG unloaded to have $20 synthetic oil and filter changes again and zero emissions equipment fears. I was in love with the Gladiator and the Pentastar engine, whereas owning the EcoDiesel is a little nerve-racking because you feel like you never know when something very expensive is going to go wrong. I just can't feel relaxed owning this thing. I feel like I HAVE to buy the $12/quart oil, the $45 filters, keep detailed records on every single thing I do, try not to let it idle too much, pay attention to where I'm getting fuel, etc. etc. It's almost as if owning the diesel is a chore in itself, whereas owning the gas you can relax and not care. Just drive the gas and enjoy life.
Hopefully as time passes, this EcoDiesel will prove to be a fantastic engine. I agree with the guy who said FCA probably wanted to make sure they got this right. Another disastrous diesel engine would pretty much end the 1/2 ton diesel program for them. They really needed to get this right.
Just edging you out @ 1794. Might be higher since I swapped out the 20" for 18" rims. Probably higher due to no added weight from e-torque or 33 gallon tankWay lighter. My payload is 1,680 !
Have you owned one? I’ve owned 2., a 2014 and a 2020. VM Motori has been making diesels for decades. Unless youve owned one, you’re not calling like it is, you’re calling it like you e heard somewhere.No way in hell would I buy an ECO Diesel, the risk is just to high that Fiat would make a trouble free Diesel. The previous ECO Diesel was a hugh risk, it was a hero or a zero, I guess time will tell, but Fiat is not known for their quality and are the lowest rated cars. Sorry to rain on everyone with my first post here, but I call like it is. I took a risk with the newer CTD with the Bosch CP4, but at least the CTD is a proven power plant. The ECO self destructs.
i dont care if the oil change is 400 bucks . still better than gas.I grew up a diesel fan. My father has been a heavy equipment mechanic for 45 years. I have driven many diesels, but I've only owned 2 diesel Jeeps and now this EcoDiesel. There is no question that this engine tows better and sounds amazing. I really love the industrial feel and torque.
Having said that, if I was doing it over again I would probably have kept my Gladiator. I could live with 12 MPG towing and 16 MPG unloaded to have $20 synthetic oil and filter changes again and zero emissions equipment fears. I was in love with the Gladiator and the Pentastar engine, whereas owning the EcoDiesel is a little nerve-racking because you feel like you never know when something very expensive is going to go wrong. I just can't feel relaxed owning this thing. I feel like I HAVE to buy the $12/quart oil, the $45 filters, keep detailed records on every single thing I do, try not to let it idle too much, pay attention to where I'm getting fuel, etc. etc. It's almost as if owning the diesel is a chore in itself, whereas owning the gas you can relax and not care. Just drive the gas and enjoy life.
Hopefully as time passes, this EcoDiesel will prove to be a fantastic engine. I agree with the guy who said FCA probably wanted to make sure they got this right. Another disastrous diesel engine would pretty much end the 1/2 ton diesel program for them. They really needed to get this right.
I heard the etorque weighs 100 lbs. I have the standard gas tank. Either 23 or 26 gallon. Not sure.Just edging you out @ 1794. Might be higher since I swapped out the 20" for 18" rims. Probably higher due to no added weight from e-torque or 33 gallon tank
I used a lot of Lucas myself when I had my 5.9 first gen. Also, on the advice of some old timers, some 2 cycle engine oilOn a sidenote… I do recommend for added protection performance and longevity adding a fuel additive at every fuel up of possible.
The ultra low sulfur fuel sold in the United States does not have very good lubricity. Using an additive during fill ups will increase lubricity for the fuel pump and injectors. It will help keep things clean and make everything last longer. I use the every day additive by Hot Shot. You can find it in AutoZone and the larger quantity bottle at love’s truck stop. Of course there are other additives out there like power service and Howe’s which is decent and certainly better than nothing.
I've never owned a 6.0 Ford either, does that mean they didn't have failures. As I posted, hero or zero, many failures of the ECO. Factory rep I had a conversation with when the failures first started, stated that the fuel injector lines came unsealed in a box that got contaminated with cardboard dust, however that doesn't excuse the lower end failures.Have you owned one? I’ve owned 2., a 2014 and a 2020. VM Motori has been making diesels for decades. Unless youve owned one, you’re not calling like it is, you’re calling it like you e heard somewhere.
.On a sidenote… I do recommend for added protection performance and longevity adding a fuel additive at every fuel up of possible.
The ultra low sulfur fuel sold in the United States does not have very good lubricity. Using an additive during fill ups will increase lubricity for the fuel pump and injectors. It will help keep things clean and make everything last longer. I use the every day additive by Hot Shot. You can find it in AutoZone and the larger quantity bottle at love’s truck stop. Of course there are other additives out there like power service and Howe’s which is decent and certainly better than nothing.
I’m not gonna pretend that I know it all… But I do know this, oil change Intervals and preventative maintenance have been tailored more for marketing than longevity over the last 20 years (all manufacturers) You won’t find me running 10,000 miles services. Changing the oil more frequently will help avoid oil diluting. I’m targeting 7,500 services for me..
Just curious, as a former Ram service advisor, what are your thoughts on the fact that the Gen-3 Ecodiesel owner's manual states that engine oil level can increase after a regen?
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I know some diesel manufacturers regen similar to the Ram, while others (e.g. Chevy Duramax V8) add a "9th injector" upstream of the DPF and regen the DPF with direct fuel injection in the exhaust system, lit off by the 9th injector. I freely admit I am ignorant of the inner workings of modern diesel emissions systems, but something in my gut kind of cringes in knowing that Ram's Ecodiesel method of regen floods the cylinders with extra fuel in order to achieve regen temperatures downstream in the DPF system, hence engine oil level can rise because it's running past the rings and into the crankcase. Which seems like it would just thin out the already thin motor oils we use today, which certainly can't be good for low-end longevity. In your experience, is Ram's method problematic?
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I hope I'm not saying anything inaccurate above, but that is what I have been able to piece together so far, and I'd be interested in your opinion on Ram's method of regen.
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As you mentioned there are hero's and dogs, I have been driving in a 2016 fully loaded Laramie ECO Diesel and love the engine, have a 125,000 miles on it. As an old fart that has too many miles on my frame I have driven almost everything through the years and have found a couple key factors, maintain the engine, even better than the schedule and in the case of the diesel do not buy it if the majority of your time is city driving. I commute 75 miles each way to work, each day. The benefits of the diesel are there for me and I get great towing from the engine. Had the opportunity to drive the big V8 and my truck (both same year, 4x4 crew cabs with 6'4" beds, standard gear ratio, no tow package other than electronic brakes) and used each to tow a 7000 lb dingo and trailer. Each pulled the load with no issue but the gas engine did whine a lot when going up the hill, the diesel never changed sound or acted differently. I did go through the EGR issue, FCA replaced the busted one for free, I did the software emission recall which did add some annoying lag in the throttle and FCA paid me $3,000 for that recall. Just ordered a 2020 fully loaded Laramie with the new Diesel so time will tell what this one will be like. They are not for everyone but if used right and maintained a diesel is a great choice.No way in hell would I buy an ECO Diesel, the risk is just to high that Fiat would make a trouble free Diesel. The previous ECO Diesel was a hugh risk, it was a hero or a zero, I guess time will tell, but Fiat is not known for their quality and are the lowest rated cars. Sorry to rain on everyone with my first post here, but I call like it is. I took a risk with the newer CTD with the Bosch CP4, but at least the CTD is a proven power plant. The ECO self destructs.
TOTALLY AGREE! No substitute for 'sperence..!As I noted. Someone told you. Quit bashing an engine you’ve never owned. Let the guy get info from people who drive them.