2019 Ram 1500 have diesel available?

[Roby]

Apparently teh 2019 Ram 1500 does not have diesel option. Am I missing anything?

 

[Edwards]

Supposed to be coming. Best guesses are late this year or early next year.

 

[Jared B]

Next summer. https://5thgenrams.com/5thgenrams-learns-2019-ram-ecodiesel-production-start-date/

 

[Ram18962]

Called and visited a dealership here in Nebraska and it was originally next year but has been pushed up to August of this year. Fingers crossed

 

[SCasey89]

Called and visited a dealership here in Nebraska and it was originally next year but has been pushed up to August of this year. Fingers crossed

With August now only a month away, I feel like we would have already been seeing test mules running around with the updated Ecodiesel. Not to discount what your dealer told you, but August just seems too soon.

 

[YoAdrian]

As a current 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel owner (until my Ram arrives; my engine shatted itself, thankfully under warranty) I would recommend caution and thorough research of several forums before going that direction. Although many have had good experiences, even FCA admitted to excessively high premature bearing failure rates, with no confirmed design remedies. FCA did not consider the tweak to oil viscosity a permanent fix.

If you must have it then wait for a redesigned engine, or PLEASE get yourself a powertrain warranty. I am not a “hater” by any means, but this site seems to be thin on EcoDiesel problem discussions and our members would be well served with increased awareness of the history and rate of problems especially as the temptation of the new models gets closer.

Now you know why I will soon be a first time Hemi dude!

 

[SCasey89]

I do believe the new Ecodiesel was going to have some upgrades for the 2019 release, which will hopefully help (if not cure) the high failure rate for the current engines. This hopefully backs my argument that August is way too soon for the Ecodiesel release in the 5th Gens. I would hope Ram plans on running these engines through their paces before releasing them to work out any bugs and to see if they run into the same failure issues as the current engines. If these engines were to be released in August there would no doubt be so many more test mules running around (and evidence they were) with the new Ecodiesel.

Maybe Jared can chime in, but if I were a betting man, I'd say it won't be until next Spring/Summer that we see the Ecodiesels available. I also highly doubt Ram would allow dealers/customers to order the new Ecodiesel (say August) then have them wait an extended amount of time for the truck to be built.

 

[alacombe]

As a current 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel owner (until my Ram arrives; my engine shatted itself, thankfully under warranty) I would recommend caution and thorough research of several forums before going that direction. Although many have had good experiences, even FCA admitted to excessively high premature bearing failure rates, with no confirmed design remedies. FCA did not consider the tweak to oil viscosity a permanent fix.

If you must have it then wait for a redesigned engine, or PLEASE get yourself a powertrain warranty. I am not a “hater” by any means, but this site seems to be thin on EcoDiesel problem discussions and our members would be well served with increased awareness of the history and rate of problems especially as the temptation of the new models gets closer.

Now you know why I will soon be a first time Hemi dude!

I also had issues with my ecodiesel

 

[Chirp08]

As a current 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel owner (until my Ram arrives; my engine shatted itself, thankfully under warranty) I would recommend caution and thorough research of several forums before going that direction. Although many have had good experiences, even FCA admitted to excessively high premature bearing failure rates, with no confirmed design remedies. FCA did not consider the tweak to oil viscosity a permanent fix.

If you must have it then wait for a redesigned engine, or PLEASE get yourself a powertrain warranty. I am not a “hater” by any means, but this site seems to be thin on EcoDiesel problem discussions and our members would be well served with increased awareness of the history and rate of problems especially as the temptation of the new models gets closer.

Now you know why I will soon be a first time Hemi dude!

Everything I've read and in talking to other owners (I have one myself) it seems to come down to how you break the truck in. There is one guy who managed to blow 2 motors in a row.. when asked how he drove he said like a grandma. It really seems like if you take it easy on your engine then suddenly one day decide to hook a trailer to it, or haul a bunch of weight they spin a bearing. The guys who rode them hard from the beginning and use them like a truck seem to have no issues with regards to the bearings.

 

[alacombe]

Everything I've read and in talking to other owners (I have one myself) it seems to come down to how you break the truck in. There is one guy who managed to blow 2 motors in a row.. when asked how he drove he said like a grandma. It really seems like if you take it easy on your engine then suddenly one day decide to hook a trailer to it, or haul a bunch of weight they spin a bearing. The guys who rode them hard from the beginning and use them like a truck seem to have no issues with regards to the bearings.

my truck started issues at 320 miles. Wasn't even broken in. It was garbage from the beginning,

So basically your saying if you use your diesel as a daily driver then one day one to haul your boat or trailer your engine explodes? lol what non sense. Guess FCA should add this as a warning then "Drive like a grandma but one day wanna be a kid again your engine will explode."

 

[YoAdrian]

Everything I've read and in talking to other owners (I have one myself) it seems to come down to how you break the truck in.

Respectfully, there is much more than that out there on other forums; EcoDiesel failures have not been isolated to what you might consider the driver’s error applying a gentle break in.

Most lay blame on the way oil is designed to reach the lower bearings or the EGR system dirtying the oil, and to some it is a combination of this PLUS poor quality control and tolerances out of the engine factory. Failures have occurred from the first 10k all the way out to past 100k and everywhere in between. No owners truly know, and FCA is not voluntarily sharing what they know. There are internal FCA emails from 2016 that were made public as part of the EcoDiesel lawsuit where they confirmed a ridiculously high rate of premature bearing failures in these engines just before they directed an oil viscosity switch as a short term “solution.” No permanent fixes have been identified, even in coverage of the potential redesign.

Hence my recommendation to avoid, or at least get a long lasting powertrain warranty, if you absolutely must buy this engine. I do not have any commercial interests in my advice, I just suffered and don’t want others to.

YMMV of course; the vast majority of users are happy, but the failures are statistically significant and terribly expensive.

 

[alacombe]

Respectfully, there is much more than that out there on other forums; EcoDiesel failures have not been isolated to what you might consider the driver’s error applying a gentle break in.

Most lay blame on the way oil is designed to reach the lower bearings or the EGR system dirtying the oil, and to some it is a combination of this PLUS poor quality control and tolerances out of the engine factory. Failures have occurred from the first 10k all the way out to past 100k and everywhere in between. No owners truly know, and FCA is not voluntarily sharing what they know. There are internal FCA emails from 2016 that were made public as part of the EcoDiesel lawsuit where they confirmed a ridiculously high rate of premature bearing failures in these engines just before they directed an oil viscosity switch as a short term “solution.” No permanent fixes have been identified, even in coverage of the potential redesign.

Hence my recommendation to avoid, or at least get a long lasting powertrain warranty, if you absolutely must buy this engine. I do not have any commercial interests in my advice, I just suffered and don’t want others to.

YMMV of course; the vast majority of users are happy, but the failures are statistically significant and terribly expensive.

FCA straight up told me "they do not have a fix for my truck" at 320 miles. It was a lemon and had nothing to do with break in because it wasn't even broken in lol I would stay away from these engines. Much more likely to cause problems.

 

[Chirp08]

my truck started issues at 320 miles. Wasn't even broken in. It was garbage from the beginning,

So basically your saying if you use your diesel as a daily driver then one day one to haul your boat or trailer your engine explodes? lol what non sense. Guess FCA should add this as a warning then "Drive like a grandma but one day wanna be a kid again your engine will explode."

No, I'm saying if you break in your engine and continuously operate under certain repeatable conditions and then suddenly stress it in a way that the way it's never operated under you can certainly spin a bearing. But if you want to oversimplify what I posted and respond to that go ahead and waste your time.

You speak as if you are coming from a position of experience but then you just said your issues were all emissions related which is not what we are discussing. EGR, the P20EE exhaust problems that plague this motor are easily fixed and accounted for now.

Respectfully, there is much more than that out there on other forums; EcoDiesel failures have not been isolated to what you might consider the driver’s error applying a gentle break in.

I'm not saying that is the sole reason, it would be aburd to assume that. But anything related to bearing is going to be heavily affected by your break in procedure and there is certainly a correlation there if you dig into how these trucks were used and driven.

 

[YoAdrian]

there is certainly a correlation there if you dig into how these trucks were used and driven

Ok Chirp, but have you seen data on the EcoDiesel failures that others have not to be so certain? Who has dug into how the failed engines were used? Can you point out any data correlating break in technique with excessive rates of premature EcoDiesel bearing failure? Prospective owners of new models really need this information if true!

There are posts from unfortunate customers about failures of engines regularly used for both heavy work and light. I have read about EcoDiesel failures when never towing.

I’ve derailed the OP’s question long enough everyone, research on your own and make up your own minds. Be informed!

 

[ExcursionDiesel]

I drove my EcoDiesel briskly and towed 5k with it several times a month. The motor developed a knock in the lower end around 60k and died from low oil pressure at 80k. I'm on motor #2. All the other issues with EPA crap ( clogged DEF injectors, bad Catalytic converter) never affected performance. This occured and were addressed early.

My Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel was one of the first NAFTA models built in June 2013. Besides engine reliability, the performance and economy have been amazing. Unfortunately, the current design has a fatal flaw in the bearings which forces me to go to a Hemi this time around. I sure hate giving up the 32 mpg and massive torque at low RPM though. I'd do it again if the reworked ED was available now....but it isn't and I can't wait until mid 2019.

 

[alacombe]

No, I'm saying if you break in your engine and continuously operate under certain repeatable conditions and then suddenly stress it in a way that the way it's never operated under you can certainly spin a bearing. But if you want to oversimplify what I posted and respond to that go ahead and waste your time.

You speak as if you are coming from a position of experience but then you just said your issues were all emissions related which is not what we are discussing. EGR, the P20EE exhaust problems that plague this motor are easily fixed and accounted for now.



I'm not saying that is the sole reason, it would be aburd to assume that. But anything related to bearing is going to be heavily affected by your break in procedure and there is certainly a correlation there if you dig into how these trucks were used and driven.

I had way more issues then just emissions. The issues all lasted from 320-3500miles when FCA bought it back. My truck was constantly driven hard and easy so the arguement of driving it one way then changing to another way after a period of time is garbage. Ecodiesls have more issues then regular gas trucks that the FCA makes it’s just a fact. I guess owning an eco diesel for 7 months means I don’t have any experience with it....hmmm. Every heard of coolant in the oil? Had that too. Heads leaked etc

 

[Jared B]

Maybe Jared can chime in, but if I were a betting man, I'd say it won't be until next Spring/Summer that we see the Ecodiesels available. I also highly doubt Ram would allow dealers/customers to order the new Ecodiesel (say August) then have them wait an extended amount of time for the truck to be built.

5thGenRams learns 2019 EcoDiesel production start date while things could have changed since that article, I'd be willing to bet that next August ish is probably a good bet. I have seen fingers pointed at machining issues and a few other things for the cause of spun bearings in the EcoDiesel, I will say that I wouldn't be comfortable purchasing one. I really really hope they are getting it right for the updated Eco, the current ones I think are like rolling dice. Either you get a really good one (I've seen them go over 300k miles with 0 problems) or you get a bad one. There doesn't seem to be an in between. I'd also like to see the cam/timing gears get keyed to stop the issues of the timing gears spinning on the cam.

 

[ExcursionDiesel]

I've done a lot of reading and I'm not convinced the press fit timing gear slippage is really an issue. One guy made a video but I'm not sold on his credibility. It's not widespread either way. Losing the bottom end is epedimic though.

 

[Chirp08]

I've done a lot of reading and I'm not convinced the press fit timing gear slippage is really an issue. One guy made a video but I'm not sold on his credibility. It's not widespread either way. Losing the bottom end is epedimic though.

It's not, it's how most Euro spec diesels are done and is tried and true.

 

[Chirp08]

I had way more issues then just emissions. The issues all lasted from 320-3500miles when FCA bought it back. My truck was constantly driven hard and easy so the arguement of driving it one way then changing to another way after a period of time is garbage. Ecodiesls have more issues then regular gas trucks that the FCA makes it’s just a fact. I guess owning an eco diesel for 7 months means I don’t have any experience with it....hmmm. Every heard of coolant in the oil? Had that too. Heads leaked etc

Coolant in oil has nothing to with the heads on these engines, the oil cooler itself has a gasket that can fail and cross contaminate. Got any. numbers to back that claim up of more failures? I highly doubt they exceed the number of Hemi header bolt failures.