Screwed in Canada

[Dragonmaster13]

Sorry for venting...
2020MY the Big Horn and Tradesmen both said late availability for the ED, and they never showed up.
Skip to 2021 and Big Horn and Tradesmen now say N/A for the EcoDiesel.

Was looking forward to a Big Horn Eco Diesel for payload and towing, now stuck with having to look at a rebel to get the ED and a max of 1430-1480lbs for payload.
The Laramie is over $70k CDN with payloads in the 1300-1400lb range OR LESS., not enough to be legal towing with the family in the cab.

What gives FCA Canada?

Can't even legally import one from the US.

 

[Burnzie]

I got screwed in Canada once, it was GOOD!

 

[Sascwatch]

That sucks, I thought that FCA was making the eco diesel available in most trim levels but I guess not.

 

[Rebelguy2020]

Sorry for venting...
2020MY the Big Horn and Tradesmen both said late availability for the ED, and they never showed up.
Skip to 2021 and Big Horn and Tradesmen now say N/A for the EcoDiesel.

Was looking forward to a Big Horn Eco Diesel for payload and towing, now stuck with having to look at a rebel to get the ED and a max of 1430-1480lbs for payload.
The Laramie is over $70k CDN with payloads in the 1300-1400lb range OR LESS., not enough to be legal towing with the family in the cab.

What gives FCA Canada?

Can't even legally import one from the US.

Yes that sucks! I am sure Ram would get more Canadian sales if they allowed the diesel for all trim levels. Having to step up to the Rebel or higher trim levels to get the diesel is a big step in price.

It is frustrating and impossible to look for the exact towing and payload capacities because the website does not allow for you to add specific options, all those options increases the weight of the truck and reduces both payload and towing capacities.
On the website it shows the Rebel crew cab diesel payload at 1720 lbs. My 2020 crew cab Rebel diesel has all the options but no split tailgate and no air suspension, so the extra weight of those options brings my payload to 1326 lbs. that’s 394 lbs lower.


I took a picture of the sticker on my truck. I also added the Ram.com pictures of the difference between the crew cab and the quad cab capacities. I did notice there is only a combined difference of 60 lbs between both Rebel models. The crew cab has more payload but less towing. I added the big horn crew cab and quad cab, I know it is not available in Canada but just to compare. There is so little difference between all those models, less than 100 lbs in combined totals, so going to the Rebel is not a deal breaker if you keep the heavy options out, like panoramic sun roof Ram boxes...

 

[Dragonmaster13]

Yes that sucks! I am sure Ram would get more Canadian sales if they allowed the diesel for all trim levels. Having to step up to the Rebel or higher trim levels to get the diesel is a big step in price.

It is frustrating and impossible to look for the exact towing and payload capacities because the website does not allow for you to add specific options, all those options increases the weight of the truck and reduces both payload and towing capacities.
On the website it shows the Rebel crew cab diesel payload at 1720 lbs. My 2020 crew cab Rebel diesel has all the options but no split tailgate and no air suspension, so the extra weight of those options brings my payload to 1326 lbs. that’s 394 lbs lower.


I took a picture of the sticker on my truck. I also added the Ram.com pictures of the difference between the crew cab and the quad cab capacities. I did notice there is only a combined difference of 60 lbs between both Rebel models. The crew cab has more payload but less towing. I added the big horn crew cab and quad cab, I know it is not available in Canada but just to compare. There is so little difference between all those models, less than 100 lbs in combined totals, so going to the Rebel is not a deal breaker if you keep the heavy options out, like panoramic sun roof Ram boxes...

I've been following a few youtube channels, user OFFRD comes to mind, among others. His payload is in the 1600# range with Big Horn and offroad package with the ED. Specing out a number of 2020 rebels on lots with the ED across canada and then running the VIN for payload through the ram towing guide website. Most are in the low 1400's, some lower, as far down as low 1000# payloads (sun roof, ram boxes and MFT are the biggest culprits followed by leather). I've got a DS with just over 1300#'s of payload that is overweight now when towing due to growing kids. I tow with nothing in the bed and minimal stuff in the cab. Was really needing to hit about 1500# payload to stay legal long term. Looks like to do that without having to go gas, along with mid 6 to 8mpg when towing and 13 around town, I have to go to a 2500 diesel at $20k more, plus another $10-20k for a used commuter car plus the expense of double insurance costs. The 2500/3500's don't fit in my parkade at work, with no other options nearby as stret parking is max 2 hours and only between 9 and 3 when I work 7-4 or longer. (30-40 minute walk is nearest location for all day parking that would fit the height of the 3/4 ton). The other option is going with a FERD 150 diesel, but I hate the interiors and driving dynamics. FML.

 

[Rebelguy2020]

I've been following a few youtube channels, user OFFRD comes to mind, among others. His payload is in the 1600# range with Big Horn and offroad package with the ED. Specing out a number of 2020 rebels on lots with the ED across canada and then running the VIN for payload through the ram towing guide website. Most are in the low 1400's, some lower, as far down as low 1000# payloads (sun roof, ram boxes and MFT are the biggest culprits followed by leather). I've got a DS with just over 1300#'s of payload that is overweight now when towing due to growing kids. I tow with nothing in the bed and minimal stuff in the cab. Was really needing to hit about 1500# payload to stay legal long term. Looks like to do that without having to go gas, along with mid 6 to 8mpg when towing and 13 around town, I have to go to a 2500 diesel at $20k more, plus another $10-20k for a used commuter car plus the expense of double insurance costs. The 2500/3500's don't fit in my parkade at work, with no other options nearby as stret parking is max 2 hours and only between 9 and 3 when I work 7-4 or longer. (30-40 minute walk is nearest location for all day parking that would fit the height of the 3/4 ton). The other option is going with a FERD 150 diesel, but I hate the interiors and driving dynamics. FML.

MyRebel is loaded, I searched the inventory for a Rebel ED where I bought mine at Peel Chrysler in Mississauga but they have many options and the payload would be close to the same as mine, I don’t know where you live but if you can find one with less options to bring the payload up, and the price would drop, you said you would like a payload of 1500 lbs, it would be very close to that payload with less options.
Myself I am not worried about adding 1500 lbs to my truck, that’s only 174 lbs more that the rated payload of 1326lbs.
I did add inflatable airbags in my rear coils springs to level the truck when I load the bed, I hate having my headlights pointing in the air.

I attached an image of where I bought my truck, they have 32 eco diesel in stock and this is one of the cheapest ones. Good luck in your search.

 

[J-Cooz]

I've been following a few youtube channels, user OFFRD comes to mind, among others. His payload is in the 1600# range with Big Horn and offroad package with the ED. Specing out a number of 2020 rebels on lots with the ED across canada and then running the VIN for payload through the ram towing guide website. Most are in the low 1400's, some lower, as far down as low 1000# payloads (sun roof, ram boxes and MFT are the biggest culprits followed by leather). I've got a DS with just over 1300#'s of payload that is overweight now when towing due to growing kids. I tow with nothing in the bed and minimal stuff in the cab. Was really needing to hit about 1500# payload to stay legal long term. Looks like to do that without having to go gas, along with mid 6 to 8mpg when towing and 13 around town, I have to go to a 2500 diesel at $20k more, plus another $10-20k for a used commuter car plus the expense of double insurance costs. The 2500/3500's don't fit in my parkade at work, with no other options nearby as stret parking is max 2 hours and only between 9 and 3 when I work 7-4 or longer. (30-40 minute walk is nearest location for all day parking that would fit the height of the 3/4 ton). The other option is going with a FERD 150 diesel, but I hate the interiors and driving dynamics. FML.

My fully loaded limited ecodiesel (No MFT or Ram nox) has 1327lbs of payload,.

WxMan on this forum is OFFRD on YouTube btw!

 

[WXman]

Yeah my payload is 1,645 lbs. on the Bighorn

My options:

North Edition (floor liners, heated wheel, heated seats, heated mirrors, remote start, off-road suspension, AWD t-case, locking diff, etc. etc.)
Level II interior
Rear full inner liners
Trailer brake control
3.92 axle
Full center console
20" wheel package
EcoDiesel engine/8HP75 trans

So as you can see, I have SEVERAL options that add weight to the truck and my payload is still respectable at 1,645 lbs. I have no idea why other trims that weigh the same or less are stamped with much lower payload ratings. Doesn't make sense.

I did also add the Timbren SES, so I can haul or tow anything I want with only 1.5" of sag now.

 

[J-Cooz]

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Yeah my payload is 1,645 lbs. on the Bighorn

My options:

North Edition (floor liners, heated wheel, heated seats, heated mirrors, remote start, off-road suspension, AWD t-case, locking diff, etc. etc.)
Level II interior
Rear full inner liners
Trailer brake control
3.92 axle
Full center console
20" wheel package
EcoDiesel engine/8HP75 trans

So as you can see, I have SEVERAL options that add weight to the truck and my payload is still respectable at 1,645 lbs. I have no idea why other trims that weigh the same or less are stamped with much lower payload ratings. Doesn't make sense.

I did also add the Timbren SES, so I can haul or tow anything I want with only 1.5" of sag now.

That's a good payload because I think the Ecodiesel is a little heavier with all the emissions equipment and DEF than the Hemi. Saying that my Ecodiesel has better payload than my previous 5th gen Hemi with etorque and long bed

 

[Rebelguy2020]

Yeah my payload is 1,645 lbs. on the Bighorn

My options:

North Edition (floor liners, heated wheel, heated seats, heated mirrors, remote start, off-road suspension, AWD t-case, locking diff, etc. etc.)
Level II interior
Rear full inner liners
Trailer brake control
3.92 axle
Full center console
20" wheel package
EcoDiesel engine/8HP75 trans

So as you can see, I have SEVERAL options that add weight to the truck and my payload is still respectable at 1,645 lbs. I have no idea why other trims that weigh the same or less are stamped with much lower payload ratings. Doesn't make sense.

I did also add the Timbren SES, so I can haul or tow anything I want with only 1.5" of sag now.

Is your truck a quad cab?
The Rebel is heavier mainly because of the steel skid plates, steel front bumper and heavy 10 ply off road tires.
The option that has the most weight is the panoramic sunroof, the Ram boxes must add enough weight too.

 

[WXman]

Is your truck a quad cab?
The Rebel is heavier mainly because of the steel skid plates, steel front bumper and heavy 10 ply off road tires.
The option that has the most weight is the panoramic sunroof, the Ram boxes must add enough weight too.

Nope it's a full crew cab.

Rebels use smaller 18" wheels that I believe are also narrower. The tires are 6 ply I believe. I'm betting they aren't heavier than the 20" wheel packages on the North Editions. Mine are 72 lbs. per wheel/tire. The skids probably weigh 50 lbs. total for all of them. My truck also has a steel bumper. I think they all do.

So I still don't understand why a Rebel would have a payload of several hundred lbs. less. Odd.....

 

[Dragonmaster13]

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That's a good payload because I think the Ecodiesel is a little heavier with all the emissions equipment and DEF than the Hemi. Saying that my Ecodiesel has better payload than my previous 5th gen Hemi with etorque and long bed

Yes they are heavier, but they also bumped the GVWR of the EcoDiesel 100lbs over the hemis to 7200. Guessing they have up to 8000lbs available on the axles, a little reserve to up the weights year over year like they do, as they are classed as GVWR up to 8000lb trucks. Just disappointed that we can’t do the big horn ED in Canada.

 

[Rebelguy2020]

Nope it's a full crew cab.

Rebels use smaller 18" wheels that I believe are also narrower. The tires are 6 ply I believe. I'm betting they aren't heavier than the 20" wheel packages on the North Editions. Mine are 72 lbs. per wheel/tire. The skids probably weigh 50 lbs. total for all of them. My truck also has a steel bumper. I think they all do.

So I still don't understand why a Rebel would have a payload of several hundred lbs. less. Odd.....

The Rebel has a steel skid plate in front going up to the bumper, no plastic fairing
The tires are H.D. Light Truck rate (125R)
LT 275/70R18 10 ply
3640 lbs rating @ 80 psi air
they weigh 54 lbs, just the tire without the rim, the Rebel rim is 26 lbs so 80 lbs each wheel.
Your wheels are passenger car rated (113t) 4 ply
275/55R20 the same width as the Rebel 275mm
2535 lbs rating @ 44 psi air

 

[davidajpritchard]

1160 is the payload on my limited. Pano roof and mft

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[Rebelguy2020]

1160 is the payload on my limited. Pano roof and mft

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Wow that is quite a difference, than my Rebel, the two main things that brings your payload down is obviously the MFT and your tires, your running air pressure is 36 psi front and rear, the Rebel is 55 psi front and 45 psi rear, I find that weird a 10 psi difference, better ride? I keep the pressure at 55 psi on all wheels but I increase the rear if I tow heavy or when I load the bed. The truck came with 55 psi all around, I should lower the rear to 45 psi for the winter, I have blizzak 10 ply, it would probably bite a little better in the winter.

 

[Chris3058]

WXman is OFFRD on YouTube. Well there you go. Just watched a few of his videos...looking (maybe) for a lift kit for my Reb for my overlanding project.