Antispin revisited... any Jeep guys here?

[Electrical]

Is Antispin one and the same as Trac-Lok found on Jeeps? Can someone explain what this video is showing?

I get the idea of an LSD, no need to re-hash the basics. PLEASE. Let's not re-hash the basics LOL

Watch the front axle of this Jeep. The author of this video comments about LSD on the rear axle but not the front... yet they seem to behave identically. Looks like there is less than 1/4, maybe 1/8, of tire rotation before torque transfer occurs and the opposite wheel engages.

I want to get a Ram with a locking diff, but honestly, if Antispin works half as good as the Jeep in this video I'd seriously consider going with it.

But also... if the front axle of this Jeep is working entirely from traction control, I'm questioning the need for either Antispin or eLocker.

 

[SpeedyV]

Not that you’re overthinking this or anything, but...

 

[Electrical]

Am I? Yeah probably.

Maybe too my off-road inexperience is showing. I've recently been exploring trails in National Parks but I've been hesitant to tackle the aggressive looking ones in my Durango. I'd like to change that after getting a Ram... but at the same time strike the best balance with on-road performance.

Frankly, I don't have a good sense of how well (or not) Antispin does off-road... hence my persistence... hoping to read a comment somewhere by someone that'll turn the light bulb on. So far, my light bulb is connected to a dead battery.

 

[Bleda2002]

If you are going to be doing off-roading, get the e-locker. In basically all cases off road the e-locker is more useful.

Personal opinion after having a few trucks and an FJ Cruiser, the LSD is best suited for the guys with 4x2's that need traction on road like pulling out of a boat ramp and probably won't be doing much off roading beyond some gravel roads. Hence why on this truck I went 4x2 with lsd as I won't ever see snow or do anything more than drive some gravel roads out to some shooting ranges.

If I want to do real off roading, deep snow driving or anything like that, I'll take 4wd and locking diff everyday. With that combo, you can use 4A if it's slippery out and your not sure what your going to hit, and have the locker when you need it

 

[Electrical]

I agree 100%... but I'm trying to talk myself into Antispin because of the way the ordering configurations are currently setup/available.

If I could order eLocker as a stand-alone option, with 3.21 gears, this would be a done deal.

However if Antispin is, say, 70 to 75 % as capable as eLocker off-road I'd be fine with it.

My answer may lie in the Jeep forums. Although I'd rather hear from Ram owners, the opinions and equipment there may be close enough.

 

[Bleda2002]

Another thing to consider is that with the 3.92 gears you'll be able to put on the bigger heavier AT tires you're going to want and move them better.

 

[Electrical]

I'd love if 3.92's suited my use, but priority 1 is having an optimum highway cruiser. So 3.21 is where I need to be.

 

[Bleda2002]

If you're looking for an optimum highway cruiser, drop the 4x4 and just stick with 4x2 and an LSD and probably get a 2nd vehicle like a UTV that you can tow to the trails.

With out knowing how "off road" you really want to go, its impossible to know if an LSD is going to be "enough" for you. You might want to check out TFL on youtube where they did a rebel vs raptor vs trailboss. The TB had only an LSD with 4 wheel drive, and while it did everything they needed, it definitely didnt look anywhere near as effortless as the lockers.

As for the original question, I do not believe that jeeps come with an LSD on the front axle so that would have been break vectoring. It was also idling up those rocks in 4 low, so not shocked that it works well in those situations as there isnt a ton of wheel spin to stop.

 

[Electrical]

Excellent!

Great point about 4LO. I'd add and speculate that it seems reasonable to believe the TCS has a more aggressive calibration here.

After owning an AWD vehicle there's no way I could go back to 2WD.

I'll be looking for that TFL Trailboss LSD video. Thank you.

 

[Electrical]

9:40 is telling. It's amazing GM could not step up with a real locker in an off road package. The G80 rear looks no better than an LSD... or even an open diff with TCS.

26:50 is also interesting. The Trailboss G80 rear again appears no better than LSD where wheelspin is contributing to axle hop. In fairness though, the Rebel with eLocker also a lot of wheel hop here. In both cases I'd guess due to not enough suspension articulation.

Awesome stuff, Bleda. That helps a lot towards answering what I might expect off road between Antispin and eLocker.

 

[Electrical]

28:23... and Goodyear tires still suck. Both trucks with Goodyear's couldn't maintain traction on slow descent. BFG KO2's did.

 

[RedRocketZ28]

If you plan on doing mild off-roading then the anti-spin/LSD differential will suit you fine. It's essentially an open diff until the wheel speed of one wheel surpasses the other and then it locks up.

I have the E-locker in my truck and tested it out during the last snow storm. I left the truck in 2WD and first attempted to move without it locked. The traction control system did an okay job of getting me moving. When I locked the diff it made a world of difference though. In 4WD I couldn't really notice much of a difference with it locked or not, but I wasn't going through anything deep.

Only reason I have the E-locker is because my truck has the off-road package. I would have opted for the anti-spin if I could have found a truck that had everything I wanted. With that being said, I do like the A/T tire option and slight lift from the factory on my truck though.