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eTorque motors, at least in the 3.6 variety in a Wrangler, do not have a secondary aux. battery for start/stop. Where as non-eTorque 3.6's in a Wrangler do have a secondary aux battery.

Not tracking the eTorque comparison here. eTorque doesn't have start/stop aux batteries, hence the 48v system and a generator. The Pentastar w/o eTorque has a aux battery (at least this was all the case in the Wrangler --- maybe it was different in a Ram?)

Well at least in the pickups, it shows. The Ram has a far nicer interior than Ford (and I was an avid Ford owner).

S&B intakes are outstanding for filtration from my experience, have one on my 2021 Wrangler. It sees its share of non-pavement, and has for nearly 80K miles...always a S&B intake with no issues.

I agree, people's perception ebb and flow with their anecdotal experience. And you will always hear more complaint than praise - either way that is a problem "Ram" has to deal with.

From my own experience when my F350 was nearly totaled by a woman running a yield. The vehicle ended up with over $30k in damage, I received $7200 in depreciated value.

MSRP aside the average Stellantis transaction price is around $57k, as opposed to the industry average of $48k. With perceived quality issues, costing nearly 10K more isn't great.

I get 17-18 with A/T tires, give it some miles 500 is pretty low.

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Got 7k+ miles on my Limited and gets around 17-18mpg. I did see a dip as winter fuels came in to play, and as was said, using remote start more.

I run NextBase cameras in three vehicles, pretty solid product with a good mobile app.

You clearly missed the joke of it all --- and "called out" that's a good one. But by all means, keep going.

It's a joke, don't ride it so hard. I do like how ya quoted two 100k trucks to compete with a 70k truck though ;) But honestly, the HO or SO guys don't care, cause we'd smoke the V8's :) All in fun.

Anything that is arguably decades old is cheap to repair. And honestly, most EVs under 50k would have a hard time blowing the doors off a HO.

This has derailed in to a Mustang forum discussion when the Shelby owners realize a MachE smokes them. It's OK, you can keep your V8.

Swapped out the factory Bridgestone Dueler tires for 285/55/20 Toyo Open Country AT/3s

That motor is very reliable. Have 80k on my 2021 Wrangler with no issues at all.

No clue. And on my HO, they run for a few minutes, never 19. I'd ask though how hard you're accelerating and how long you're driving. If you constantly bang it around 3000-5000rpm, I'm not surprised they run longer.

Yeah then definitely didn't have electric waterpumps to cool the EB.