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3”-3.5” lift recommendation

LonghornRik

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trying to figure out front suspension for my 2021 ram 1500 Longhorn. I have rear 1.5” icon springs and shocks as well as front UCA. The icon front coils I bought (second hand but brand new) only lift the front 0-1.5” so need an alternative to that. What would yall recommend for 3-3.5” lift in the front? Would like to do a coilover instead of spacer but not a lot of options.
 
LonghornRik said:
trying to figure out front suspension for my 2021 ram 1500 Longhorn. I have rear 1.5” icon springs and shocks as well as front UCA. The icon front coils I bought (second hand but brand new) only lift the front 0-1.5” so need an alternative to that. What would yall recommend for 3-3.5” lift in the front? Would like to do a coilover instead of spacer but not a lot of options.
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The Bilstein 5100's or the Eibachs will give you close to 3. Not quite but very close. I don't recommend anything lesser than those because you are getting into cheap products and not saving money at that point. With either of those you can keep your rear springs and have the right amount of rake. And your Icon UCA's will work great with either of those choices.
 
I ran an ICON Stage 2 set up on my23 Laramie non ORP. Got 2 5/8" in front after it settled. Did you adjust the coilover or just install as is?
 
mplaramie said:
I ran an ICON Stage 2 set up on my23 Laramie non ORP. Got 2 5/8" in front after it settled. Did you adjust the coilover or just install as is?
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Have not installed, they offer 2 coilovers and the one i purchased is 0”-1.5”.
 
LonghornRik said:
The 211000 are what I have, if you look into their specs they lift a 4th gen 1.5-2.5" but a 5th gen lifts 0-1.5"
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Maybe with Etorque?, because of the extra weight, but are adjustable. Might sacrifice ride quality though. Good to know for others.
 
mplaramie said:
I ran an ICON Stage 2 set up on my23 Laramie non ORP. Got 2 5/8" in front after it settled. Did you adjust the coilover or just install as is?
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How do they ride? Think I am gonna stick with icon and do the 2"-3" front resi coilovers with cdcv
 
mplaramie said:
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What do you like about them better? Will be putting around max reccomened pre load in them for hopefully 3” of lift although my truck is 7k pounds so Probaly won’t be 3”. Anywho would like to know your comparison of the 2. Truck does mainly street driving right now, but later down the line will do a multi state overland trip and hopefully frequent camping
 
ah icons.
first off, they can and have the greater chance of premature leak than say Fox 2.5 or Kings. or sheering pin tops. or sheering billet UCAs. i absolute hate icon because I've dealt with the same sh*t problems for my customers way too many times, so anytime icon pops up i start with that. getting the full picture is important.

second,
you do NOT want to crank that preload to the max. that's how you destroy your ride quality. You can either achieve the 3" you want via heavier springs (stiffer ride) or selling the 1.5" lift coilover and get the correct coilovers that lift the front 2-3". Or, load up the bed with your overland load and see how much it sags, and go from there.

third,
the 4th vs 5th gen thing is a moot point because of different truck different front end weight. They use the same spring rate for the coilover you have, so with the heavier 5th gen the achievable front end lift is less than that of 4th gen.
 
boogielander said:
ah icons.
first off, they can and have the greater chance of premature leak than say Fox 2.5 or Kings. or sheering pin tops. or sheering billet UCAs. i absolute hate icon because I've dealt with the same sh*t problems for my customers way too many times, so anytime icon pops up i start with that. getting the full picture is important.

second,
you do NOT want to crank that preload to the max. that's how you destroy your ride quality. You can either achieve the 3" you want via heavier springs (stiffer ride) or selling the 1.5" lift coilover and get the correct coilovers that lift the front 2-3". Or, load up the bed with your overland load and see how much it sags, and go from there.

third,
the 4th vs 5th gen thing is a moot point because of different truck different front end weight. They use the same spring rate for the coilover you have, so with the heavier 5th gen the achievable front end lift is less than that of 4th gen.
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Okay thanks for the reply. The icons I have been looking are are obviously adjustable coilovers and advertise 2-3” of lift so what I was meaning by adding pre load was adding the max pre load they recommend. I’m not very educated on suspension but I understand that adding pre load will make ride stiffer but so will adding a stronger spring so what’s the benefit of the heavier spring? I have already sold the 0”-1.5” icons but from what you and another member have said is making me lean away from icon towards fox or maybe eibach. Would there be a issue with having rear icon 1.5” springs and their 2.0 shocks (digressive) and front foxes/eibach?
 
LonghornRik said:
Okay thanks for the reply. The icons I have been looking are are obviously adjustable coilovers and advertise 2-3” of lift so what I was meaning by adding pre load was adding the max pre load they recommend. I’m not very educated on suspension but I understand that adding pre load will make ride stiffer but so will adding a stronger spring so what’s the benefit of the heavier spring? I have already sold the 0”-1.5” icons but from what you and another member have said is making me lean away from icon towards fox or maybe eibach. Would there be a issue with having rear icon 1.5” springs and their 2.0 shocks (digressive) and front foxes/eibach?
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yes in a nutshell both will make the ride stiffer. however, with more preload you are just cranking more force onto the spring at ride height by compressing the springs. this makes the ride stiffer, but the small bumps and such will be more uncontrolled. maxing out preload can also reduce suspension travel as well, further reduce ride comfort. This also doesn't change the spring rate, so if the problem you are experiencing is due to heavier front ends and such (ie, in your original 1.5" coilovers) then the ride would suffer as well (being the spring rates are too light to handle the weight)

with heavier rated springs, it compensates for the heavier front end (ie, lighter 4th gen front vs heavier 5th gen front) so that you don't need that much preload. It can make the ride stiffer, but that is because more weight is required to compress the springs.

In a more extreme scenario, see the following videos:
This is with the stock Fox 2.5 DSC springs. Notice how I called out "bottomed out" when I land after hitting a relatively small bump.

This is with the 700lb front springs that I swapped. Notice how the terrain is even more bumpy, but the truck didn't reflect that bumpiness in the cab. This is due to heavier rated springs doing work and pushing the shocks to decompress, and the Fox's valving, along with the adjustment knobs, control the compression of the shocks to reduce bumpiness.

So, adding more preload is more like a band-aide solution that doesn't really cost money while swapping springs is more of an optimal way to approach.

Another example:
I've cranked up preload on the kings on my 4Runner before, after adding front bumper and skid plates. Still bottomed out a lot.
Swapped over to heaver springs after a few runs and reset the preload to correct amount, and all was good. No more bottoming out.


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would it be fine with rear icon and front fox/ eibach? yes it would be fine for the time being.
If you run it hard like I do, then that wouldn't be ideal due to different valving and performance.
so... it's entirely up to you if you wanna swpa the rears too.

ps: the rears utilize the pin top design.
 
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