2019 Ram 1500 Etorque, P0307 P1417, 19k miles

[CarGuyMatt28]

Hey everyone, I have a 2019 ram 1500 with the 5.7l motor.

The truck only has 19k miles.

Just recently, I turned the truck on, and immediately started getting misfires. At first the truck was giving a p0300 code, but after troubleshooting (resetting the code and driving around the block) its giving a p0300 with a p1417 code.

From the research I've gathered, this indicates that a lifter has failed, and that I will likely need to remove the cylinder head in order to replace the faulty lifter.

It also seems that the p1417 error implies that I have MDS, and would need the lifters for MDS.

I don't suspect there would be much cam wear/scoring since the recent lifter failure, or even before since the truck only has 19k miles. By my estimation I've driven the truck for around 15 miles troubleshooting.

What I'm asking is, is my assessment likely to be correct? I know lifters are a common failure on these engines, and it seems I have extremely bad luck with a failure at 19k miles.

How difficult of a job is this to do?

I've removed cylinder heads before (Ls1 on my Corvette, and on a miata I used to own).

The one thing that looks annoying would be removing and reinstalling the etorque motor.

If I were to have a shop do this instead, how much would they charge?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Also for anyone who has a shop or for shop referrals, I live in the Phoenix metropolitan area in Arizona.

 

[John Kloehr]

Any Hemi Tick? If so, your assessment may be correct.

The P1417 code can also be caused by low oil, old oil, or wrong viscosity oil. If you just did an oil change, or have not for a long time, I would start with this. Not sure why but apparently a bad knock sensor can also cause the code. A bad MDS solenoid on cylinder 7 (given P0307) can also cause P1417. Of course, wiring to any of these parts can also cause the parts to look bad. A little time with a volt/ohm meter might pin this down. I am not a parts swapper, I like proof before replacing any part.

IIRC, this code does not clear with a code reader but does clear when the battery is disconnected long enough for all the electronics to bleed off charge.

Still, if there is Hemi Tick, new cam and lifters needed. Heads do need to come off for this. Don't get cheap parts, and the head bolts are TTY (single use).

 

[RHO]

Hey everyone, I have a 2019 ram 1500 with the 5.7l motor.

The truck only has 19k miles.

Just recently, I turned the truck on, and immediately started getting misfires. At first the truck was giving a p0300 code, but after troubleshooting (resetting the code and driving around the block) its giving a p0300 with a p1417 code.

From the research I've gathered, this indicates that a lifter has failed, and that I will likely need to remove the cylinder head in order to replace the faulty lifter.

It also seems that the p1417 error implies that I have MDS, and would need the lifters for MDS.

I don't suspect there would be much cam wear/scoring since the recent lifter failure, or even before since the truck only has 19k miles. By my estimation I've driven the truck for around 15 miles troubleshooting.

What I'm asking is, is my assessment likely to be correct? I know lifters are a common failure on these engines, and it seems I have extremely bad luck with a failure at 19k miles.

How difficult of a job is this to do?

I've removed cylinder heads before (Ls1 on my Corvette, and on a miata I used to own).

The one thing that looks annoying would be removing and reinstalling the etorque motor.

If I were to have a shop do this instead, how much would they charge?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Also for anyone who has a shop or for shop referrals, I live in the Phoenix metropolitan area in Arizona.

ALOT of great videos on you tube to give you a good idea if you want to tackle this , what to expect.

 

[CarGuyMatt28]

Any Hemi Tick? If so, your assessment may be correct.

The P1417 code can also be caused by low oil, old oil, or wrong viscosity oil. If you just did an oil change, or have not for a long time, I would start with this. Not sure why but apparently a bad knock sensor can also cause the code. A bad MDS solenoid on cylinder 7 (given P0307) can also cause P1417. Of course, wiring to any of these parts can also cause the parts to look bad. A little time with a volt/ohm meter might pin this down. I am not a parts swapper, I like proof before replacing any part.

IIRC, this code does not clear with a code reader but does clear when the battery is disconnected long enough for all the electronics to bleed off charge.

Still, if there is Hemi Tick, new cam and lifters needed. Heads do need to come off for this. Don't get cheap parts, and the head bolts are TTY (single use).

I've changed the oil every 5k miles just about, always used synthetic.

I do also hear a more pronounced ticking sound now.

Would the lifter really have gone bad after less than 20k miles?

 

[John Kloehr]

It can happen to a new car, most engines never experience the problem during their service life.

Check the other possibilities first. Then the next step would be to pull the valve cover to inspect the valve train. If a problem is found (loose rockers, low valve lift) and use a borescope to get down to the cylinder 7 cam lobes. If lifter failure is confirmed, pull the VVT valve and inspect the screen for metal chips. Metal in this location requires engine replacement, no metal means you can proceed to new cam and lifters. You could also drain the oil and filter it to look for metal, and cut open the oil filter for inspection. Metal in the pan can (and should be) be cleaned out, metal in the engine oil passages can not. Since this just started, I think the engine would be repairable in the early stages of Hemi Tick.

I would make an effort to confirm the failure before pulling the heads, would not drive it until the problem develops further as the cost to repair goes up.

 

[Montana_]

If I had this happen early on I'd probably shell out extra for an MDS delete kit. But I'm sure the local dealership near me would be willing to get the majority of stuff covered through warranty and then I'd just fill in the gap with the extra for the kit. If that wasn't an option then I'd just opt for normal warranty repair. Did you get an extended warranty? If not, might be a good time to look into it from Granger if you plan on keeping the truck.

 

[CarGuyMatt28]

If I had this happen early on I'd probably shell out extra for an MDS delete kit. But I'm sure the local dealership near me would be willing to get the majority of stuff covered through warranty and then I'd just fill in the gap with the extra for the kit. If that wasn't an option then I'd just opt for normal warranty repair. Did you get an extended warranty? If not, might be a good time to look into it from Granger if you plan on keeping the truck.

Unfortunately my warranty ended in February :/

 

[Montana_]

Unfortunately my warranty ended in February :/

Delete it!